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[TT Boy]

Indeed. Only have to look at how potent Johnson was on a Perth road against RSA and contrast that awesome bowling display to the guy who let JP Duminy and the tail put 250+ on them at Melbourne. A track where Steyn and Kallis got to the ball to swing appreciably.

 

[GotSpin]

I think it's because they've become so accustomed to flat wickets some of the Australian bowlers get a little too excited when it starts moving about and completely stray from their normal line and length

 

[Top_Cat]

Different skillset to bowling on seaming vs flat pitches and, in fairness, you need the ability to do the former more than the latter, even more so in the last decade or so. Been a few spicy decks in the last year, though.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I think it's because they've become so accustomed to flat wickets some of the Australian bowlers get a little too excited when it starts moving about and completely stray from their normal line and length

Nah, they don't really, they're just not prepared to be driven, which you often have to cop in good bowling conditions. Dougy just wants everything going through above stump height, and it work fantastically for him in the main, but it means that he bowls too short to be super threatening when the ball is nipping around.

 

[aussie]

I actually think there are greater worries about them when the ball is moving. They're all very good at bowling on flat wickets providing they have a bit of carry, but none of them really know how to exploit good swing bowling conditions or a seaming deck particularly well except for Hilfenhaus. There are some great physical attributes about their bowling - pace, bounce, stamina etc - but they aren't what I'd call particularly skillful bowlers. They'll dismiss a team for 320 on a flat Melbourne wicket and it'll be a superb effort but when they get conditions like the faced in England they'll still only dismiss a team for 320 because they won't use the conditions well, and it'll put them on the back foot. I know you were alluding to the fact that they were all seam bowlers rather than swing bowlers, and while that's true, I think it goes beyond even that to a point where, even though they'll get better figures on a seamer than a flat track, compared to their opponents I still think they'll almost like flat track specialists.

I'd say Johnson if he gets seaming conditions like he got in South Africa 08/09 again can certainly utlise those condtions equally well as Hilfenhaus. Just in case you may mention his struggles in ENG twice with the ball was moving. By now its understood the outside circumstances in 2009 (family & first time using the duke ball) & injury (2010) affected his performances on his two tours to ENG.

Plus also i dont see how the other memeber of the pace attack would struggle to bowl out a team for 320 on a seamer. Look at Leeds 09 & SA 09 (Jo'Burg & Durban) when the bowlers got seaming conditions. They quicks utilised those conditions to almost perfection.

 

[vic_orthdox]

If Johnson had've learnt from his troubles in England, then he would've been far more impressive than what he was against Pakistan. He probably still came out of it with some decent figures (CBF to check) but watching him bowl, it was more of the same from him. And against a worse batting line-up.

 

[robelinda]

Yep Johnson has some serious issues to address. He really has bowled like crap in England, both times. I'm not sure i'm ready to believe all the excuses. He doesnt seem to be learning anything, and he's played in every test since his debut in 07, how long do you give him when he's not really producing? He has some shocking spells every other day.

 

[Spark]

He doesn't like England for sure but he takes wickets for fun at home. It's the bounce that he thrives on. Watch the killer spells in SA and you'll see that more than the control, vicious pace and swing that undid them, it's the bounce he got.

 

[vcs]

Yep Johnson has some serious issues to address. He really has bowled like crap in England, both times. I'm not sure i'm ready to believe all the excuses. He doesnt seem to be learning anything, and he's played in every test since his debut in 07, how long do you give him when he's not really producing? He has some shocking spells every other day.

Someone also said Johnson's fourth innings bowling is poor after day 5 at Bangalore.. can't be bothered to look up the actual numbers though.

 

[aussie]

If Johnson had've learnt from his troubles in England, then he would've been far more impressive than what he was against Pakistan. He probably still came out of it with some decent figures (CBF to check) but watching him bowl, it was more of the same from him. And against a worse batting line-up.

Johnson has developed a bit of trend his career since he peaked as a test bowler vs SA 08/09. That pretty much proves AFAIS, that he needs to keep bowling for long periods to maintain his rhythm. He is not one of those bowlers like Flintoff for eg who could be out for long periods due to injury etc & immediately hit his lenghts & lines.

If you recall after his superb home series bowling in the test vs SA 08/09. He was rested for the 1st couple ODIs vs SA. Then when he came back in the last couple ODIs he bowled crap for about those 3 games going for over 60 in 10 overs all time. Then as he continued into the ODIs vs NZ he slowly regained himself & by the time he reached tests in SA he was back with a bang.

We accept what were the causes for his troubles in ENG 09. He then came home & had a very soild summer & tour to NZ capping of with the 6 for in the final test & the T20 WC. He then got injured before the ODIS vs ENG, which meant he went into the tests in ENG basically with no bowling since the T20 WC Final & again he took a while to get back in to rhythm. So those two test in ENG where unfortunate recovery test for him & by the time he went to India recently he was back again.

 

[GotSpin]

Yeah agreed.

Speaking of which, is he going to play a FC match or two before gabba?

 

[aussie]

Someone also said Johnson's fourth innings bowling is poor after day 5 at Bangalore.. can't be bothered to look up the actual numbers though.

That someone is very wrong unfortunately. He basically took the last wicket & bowled solidly throughout that final innings. Tested Sehwag early with the short stuff, had a catch of Khan dropped early & almost had Sharma caught fending off to a bouncer near the end.

 

[vcs]

That someone is very wrong unfortunately. He basically took the last wicket & bowled solidly throughout that final innings. Tested Sehwag early with the short stuff, had a catch of Khan dropped early & almost had Sharma caught fending off to a bouncer near the end.

He bowled well in Mohali but was all over the place in Bangalore. Wides, byes etc.

 

[Oscillatingmind]

Yeah agreed.

Speaking of which, is he going to play a FC match or two before gabba?

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yup, it seems so

 

[Oscillatingmind]

He bowled well in Mohali but was all over the place in Bangalore. Wides, byes etc.

The trouble with Johnson is he gets wickets when bowling erratically, & then he'll go and bowl with a bunch of control & get one or two wickets, its irritating.

 

[aussie]

He bowled well in Mohali but was all over the place in Bangalore. Wides, byes etc.

Oh ha my mistake. I forgot for a minute that the Bangalore test was the 2nd test instead of the 1st test venue.

In Mohali well that was just Johnson inconsitent line a nutshell. Wil bowl loosely but will still get you wickets .e his double with breakthrought to get Vijay & Pujara out.

 

[four_or_six]

Someone also said Johnson's fourth innings bowling is poor after day 5 at Bangalore.. can't be bothered to look up the actual numbers though.

That was probably me but I edited the post pretty much straight after when I realised I'd hashed up statsguru. The stats were almost the same.

I wanted a way to look at how Johnson performs under pressure... but I don't think there's a good way to do so except go through each innings of each match and subjectively choose it as under pressure or not.

 

[robelinda]

So we have it, Merv Hughes has been released, fired, shown the door.

 

[Noble One]

The boys on SEN just had a chat with Hughes, he didn't sound very shocked.

 

[robelinda]

He must have known already. Funny interview too. They do great interviews on SEN, hoepfully they'll post that one.