6 is too many?
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South Africa Domestic season 2010-11
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6 is too many?
hick2010uk
Banned
No there are 12 in this
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
In what?
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
And they are being made to look it as well. Huge innings defeat on the cards.
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
Has it weakened it, yes. Has it wrecked it? I don't think so. If we need a standard to judge this then it has to be the national team and it hasn't failed to produced great players and we're still challenging for the top spot in the world. The great players still come through the system like AB, Morne and Dale with the addition of great PoC like Parnell, Prince and Amla.
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You think so? Seriouly the Transvaal mean machine would have destroyed any of the teams playing this weekend.
The great players come through despite the system not because of the system.
How strong would SA have been if resources had not been depleted by the quotas
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
I disagree with this. I'll give you the example of the West Indies. I'm positive that their issues are not because there isn't enough talent, it's that they haven't identified the talent and invested the resources to build that talent into great players. Something SA does really well especially at school level.
The difference is that the schools are now more integrated then they were 10-20 years ago, and a lot of the talent identified is PoC. Affies is still Affies and they're system still produces excellent players.
So if you don't shine at school level, thats you gone?
Not every player is great as a schoolboy, but can develop through hard graft at FC level.
SA FC is so weak that it tells us nothing. Philander of all people is one of the top bowlers. 10/15 years ago he wouldn't have had a sniff at FC cricket.
And why do you keep going on about POC players??
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Hyperbole.
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
No but almost all great players are identified at school level and developed with the u19 squad. I see a lot of players coming through showing tremendous promise. Far from the wrecked FC system that you make it out to be.
Bull****. SA barely had anyone bowling over 130kph 10 years ago. I can think of only 2 players that could bowl over 140. The bowling stocks were very poor. First class bowlers like Willoughby and Dawson failed badly in the international set up.
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Apart from Donald, Pollock, Klusener and Kallis you mean?
4th Test: South Africa v England at Cape Town, Jan 2-5, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Match played in Jan 2000.
And you have the termerity to accuse me of talking crap
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
Are you talking about the SA first class system or the international team? Make up your mind.
I doesn't really matter though because the current test team has been way more successful than the one you presented.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
It may be more successfull in the sense that they won in ENG & AUS. But the SA team of the 90s was certainly better than current SA team.
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
Irrelevant. There's too many variables to take into account before a judging a squad on names especially with poor test bowlers like Klusener and a declining Paul Adams and a dodgy middle order.
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Klusener wasn't a poor test bowler at all. From 1996-2000 he was arguably the best test & ODI all-rounder in the world.
Plus Adams had his days in the 90s. But even so SA hardly ever used a spinner much in the 90s. generally always a an all-pace attack. Symcox was the most used spinner & he was quite good.
How was SAs middle-order in the 90s dodgy?
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Not that big. SA now have a slighttttttt edge, given the form of Kallis ATM. Otherwise its just about even i'd say.
Smith
Petersen
Amla
Kallis
De Villiers
Prince
Boucher
Best SA Top 7 of the 90s: 1st Test: South Africa v England at Johannesburg, Nov 25-28, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Kirsten
Gibbs
Kallis
Cullinan
Cronje
Rhodes
Klusener