*Official* Australia in India 2010

[Burgey]

See, I find this wrong because CC was way worse back in the day. Especially tour threads. India vs. Pakistan was god awful, and India vs. Australia 2007/8 was awful too.

People (including mods to an extent) complained about the debates between Burgey, Ikki, DeusEx, Prince and myself.

But we were debating cricket, and barring one outburst from Burgey, it was civil. Yet people seem to want us to stop that sort of posting.

It was a cricket discussion. Sure it may have gone on too long, but there is a lot worse on CC.

GFC...

Cricket Chat is always good when there's decent test cricket about. Reckon it's nadir is when there's s big break in tests filled with meaningless Odis and T20s.

This series has been epic too, so much to talk about.

 

[Cevno]

That ODI indian team selection is weird .

Abhinav Mukund got called up in the test squad,so could not play the Challenger trophy ,and as a result Dhawan overtook him for the ODI team selection as a opener in what is a almost guaranteed starting position.
This despite Abhinav Mukund being one of the top players in all 50 overs domestic matches last season.

Though i am glad Shikhar Dhawan has finally found his place into the Indian team. Been a fan since His U-19 days where he was player of the tournament in the WC.
Should have been selected earlier for mine liking but a run out in a Challenger trophy game where both he and Uthappa were doing well,and Uthappa at the same time scoring a century in the same match cost him a selection ahead of Robin Uthappa in the Indian team which he was way more likely for before the event.

Poor Rahane also must be wondering why his very good form in the challenger has not got him in the ODI team ahead of Rohit Sharma.
I would have selected Pujara ahead of Yuvraj or Rohit too.Not selecting him after his test selection is strange too. He is not a t20 batsmen ,but he is a pretty good ODI batsmen. And it would be helpful to have one more solid bat among the trailblazers.

As for the bowlers Glad Ishant Sharma has not been picked.Would have dented whatever confidence he gained in the first test to have him play The ODI's .

 

[Arachnodouche]

^They don't even have impressive sounding names.

Hello, new here. Been following the series; not much of a seer but I believe Aus have this down pat. We'll be 4 down for 50 odd and will struggle to get to about 130-140.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Can't believe some posters have been knocking Ojha. Hate to sound like Disgusted of East Cambs, but have they been watching the same series as me? He's kept it tight throughout, gone past the outside edge more than once and has a decent arm ball that he cannily deploys rarely enough for it to be a surprise when he does fire it through.

For a kid finding his feet I think he's had a really good series.

 

[Cevno]

Can't believe some posters have been knocking Ojha. Hate to sound like Disgusted of East Cambs, but have they been watching the same series as me? He's kept it tight throughout, gone past the outside edge more than once and has a decent arm ball that he cannily deploys rarely enough for it to be a surprise when he does fire it through.

For a kid finding his feet I think he's had a really good series.

He has bowled well this series no doubt about it.

But i still have my doubts about his ability to be a strike bowler in all conditions,rather than one who contains and supports. In these conditions it is good,but can he get enough penetration in foreign conditions is the question for me.

For Example i would rather see Mishra playing in South Africa than Ojha. Because Ojha will keep it tight,but Mishra will give a attacking option and can produce a wickettaking delivery on all conditions being a leggie,though he might leak more runs.

 

[Matt79]

North and Hussey - it's becoming a farce.

The selectors are afraid that any replacement may only average in the 30s and cost Australia series.

And yet they retain these two useless incumbents who are doing just that.

Bit harsh knocking North for his contribution in this match - yeah, he failed in the second dig, but we wouldn't even be in the game without his 1st innings effort. Consistency is a fair knock, but he's done his part this match.

 

[howardj]

A good match, yes.

How long do we have to wait until his next contribution though?

 

[howardj]

Tonk on in the 1st session today, and then set aggressive fields going for the win in sessions two and three.

Even if we don't win, and I suspect we may not, it will be good for George, Hauritz, Hilf and Mitch to be put in a situation where they have to bowl us to victory again.

 

[howardj]

Hussey's average, for the first time since his debut, has dropped below 50.

 

[silentstriker]

Can't believe some posters have been knocking Ojha. Hate to sound like Disgusted of East Cambs, but have they been watching the same series as me? He's kept it tight throughout, gone past the outside edge more than once and has a decent arm ball that he cannily deploys rarely enough for it to be a surprise when he does fire it through.

For a kid finding his feet I think he's had a really good series.

Unlike England, spinners in India are judged by more than whether they can get the ball to the other end. That criteria is reserved for the pace bowlers.

Nah, I like Ojha. I think there are probably a couple better spinners lurking about, but can't complain about what he's done so far.

 

[silentstriker]

Yes but we have a good reason too since we're probably going to lose 2-0 and with little positives to take away

1. Try not winning an overseas Test for an entire decade (not even in Zimbabwe) and then come talk about pessimism.
2. Look up successful run chases on wearing pitches in the 4th innings in India.
3. Part of the reason CC is so bad is people moan about it all the time. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Burgey]

Unlike England, spinners in India are judged by more than whether they can get the ball to the other end. That criteria is reserved for the pace bowlers.

Nah, I like Ojha. I think there are probably a couple better spinners lurking about, but can't complain about what he's done so far.

I wonder if maybe he's bowled a little too full from time to time.

Am happy with the way, for the most part at least, our blokes are playing spin in India nowadays. I mean the 2001 side was a much better outfit but their shot selection was rubbish a lot of the time. This lot aren't the players a lot of those guys were, but it's been more the quicks that have really looked troublesome to our fellas.

I'm beginning to think our playing a lot more cricket in India is slowly starting to pay off. We used to tour there nigh on once a decade and it was like an alien planet to our blokes. A lot less so now.

 

[AaronK]

man.. I fall asleep on the first session when Sachin got his double..I missed the best day of the test.. damn..

I blame Sunil Bakwasker.. he was commentating and he always puts me to sleep..

Icc should do us a favore and get rid of some of these woeful commentators.. Gavasker, Wasim Akram, Gangully, Brad Hodge and afew others are just terrible..

 

[silentstriker]

I wonder if maybe he's bowled a little too full from time to time.

Am happy with the way, for the most part at least, our blokes are playing spin in India nowadays. I mean the 2001 side was a much better outfit but their shot selection was rubbish a lot of the time. This lot aren't the players a lot of those guys were, but it's been more the quicks that have really looked troublesome to our fellas.

I'm beginning to think our playing a lot more cricket in India is slowly starting to pay off. We used to tour there nigh on once a decade and it was like an alien planet to our blokes. A lot less so now.

Maybe. Kumble is a huge loss in Indian conditions. Harbhajan has never quite regained the control of his 2001 form, but then I've never seen a spinner bowl better over a series than 2001 Harbhajan (not even Warne in 2005 Ashes).

However, I do think now since everyone goes there all the time, the off-the-field stuff like getting sick all the time, or being shocked at the culture or poverty or lack of night life really has the impact it did back even ten years ago - hell, most of the Aussies have agents in India now and travel often for commercials and such.

I think that probably has a significant impact on their on-field performances. Indian ODI conditions aren't really much like these Test conditions, so I don't think that purely from a cricketing POV, it's made a huge difference. I think that's what you were probably getting at with the 'alien planet'. If so, AWTA.

 

[GotSpin]

A good match, yes.

How long do we have to wait until his next contribution though?

Probably bought his ticket for the ashes now

 

[Top_Cat]

I wonder if maybe he's bowled a little too full from time to time.

Am happy with the way, for the most part at least, our blokes are playing spin in India nowadays. I mean the 2001 side was a much better outfit but their shot selection was rubbish a lot of the time. This lot aren't the players a lot of those guys were, but it's been more the quicks that have really looked troublesome to our fellas.

I'm beginning to think our playing a lot more cricket in India is slowly starting to pay off. We used to tour there nigh on once a decade and it was like an alien planet to our blokes. A lot less so now.

I dunno. Their play is better, yes, but how many blokes have been pinged thrusting the pad out this series to both spinners and quicks? This innings, even. Some serious issues with the moving ball remain with some of the Aussies.

That said, been a palpable lack of close-in catches this series so that's a plus.

 

[howardj]

Criminal the way India kept Khan out of the attack until the final stages of the last session.

 

[howardj]

I've spent some time in the bunker this morning cobbling together some stats

Check out these Hussey stats since the end of the Aus season 07/08

 

[tooextracool]

He has bowled well this series no doubt about it.

But i still have my doubts about his ability to be a strike bowler in all conditions,rather than one who contains and supports. In these conditions it is good,but can he get enough penetration in foreign conditions is the question for me.

For Example i would rather see Mishra playing in South Africa than Ojha. Because Ojha will keep it tight,but Mishra will give a attacking option and can produce a wickettaking delivery on all conditions being a leggie,though he might leak more runs.

Has Mishra shown this ability anywhere? I am not a big Ojha fan either, dont particularly like his action but Mishra has hardly set the world alight either.

 

[Jono]

Can't believe some posters have been knocking Ojha. Hate to sound like Disgusted of East Cambs, but have they been watching the same series as me? He's kept it tight throughout, gone past the outside edge more than once and has a decent arm ball that he cannily deploys rarely enough for it to be a surprise when he does fire it through.

For a kid finding his feet I think he's had a really good series.

Was hoping you'd chime in