bagapath
International Captain
I would take an arrogant dennis lillee over a humble roger binny any day. this PR driven crap about humility is something I can't stand.
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***Official*** Tendulkar vs Ponting Thread
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Not the point really. Sachin being humble isn't why he's better than Lara (in Warne's opinion). It's just quite a good trait to be humble despite having millions adore you, a ridiculous amount of money, and being one of the greatest of all time.
Doesn't make him any better or worse than Lara, but it shows he's of good character.
Doesn't make him any better or worse than Lara, but it shows he's of good character.
bagapath
International Captain
irrelevant to me. woody allen is (actually, was) a superior writer/director compared to most moralistic filmmakers on planet earth.
one should ignore this good character - bad character business completely while assessing someone's worth.
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Worth as what?
As a cricketer? Yeah.
As a role model? I'd say no.
I'd prefer if I had children that they didn't take after celebrities worth millions that have to go into rehab for doing drugs (for e.g.).
Unless money and success is the be all and end all of life in your view.
As a cricketer? Yeah.
As a role model? I'd say no.
I'd prefer if I had children that they didn't take after celebrities worth millions that have to go into rehab for doing drugs (for e.g.).
Unless money and success is the be all and end all of life in your view.
bagapath
International Captain
I don't look for role models, jono. because we dont know these guys up close anyway we cant be sure of anything. if what my friend tells me about sachin is true, then he is no paragon of virtue either. so it is better to judge them by their craft than the intangibles.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
TBF, I think the praises have started to get a bit silly. Every run the guy scores now is celebrated to the hilt. Fair enough, if he thinks he's better then that's his opinion. What's ironic about the praise is if Warne cared enough for off-field behaviour he would/should have conducted himself better. Just smacks of "let's join the party" to me.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
In an ideal world I'd love my kids (if I ever have any) to have Martin Luther King as their role model, not sports stars or celebrities.
But that's not the point. People do look up to sports stars and celebrities. If someone says "so and so has achieved a lot, and has never appeared arrogant" it is a good trait. No it does not make them better than someone who achieved the same but was arrogant. But it suggests they aren't douchebags.
It doesn't matter what Sachin does behind closed doors until it's out tbh. But he's not a dick, and he doesn't make kids around the world want to act like a ****y dick to everyone they meet because they saw their favourite batsman do it.
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Are you talking about praise from Warne or praise for Sachin in general?
I don't see why people praising Sachin on having his greatest year ever in his 21st year of cricket should be an issue. In fact, it's perfectly fine. Unless of course you don't like the fact he's scoring lots of runs
vcs
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Perhaps the fact that he's in such a purple patch has something to do with it as well, do you think people would be heaping all this attention on him if he was scoring a ton every five matches and averaging 50 odd? He deserves all the praise he's getting ATM, because his current form is that good.
bagapath
International Captain
if a cricketer is honest to his game - meaning he doesn't cheat, tamper with the ball, fix games, take performance enhancing drugs etc - then that is good enough for me. i dont care how many girl friends he has cheated on or whether he is an alcoholic who gets into pub brawls. i can be a decent role model for all the kids in my neighborhood; i dont need these guys for that. i need them only to show me how to play cricket. warne's comments are the typical emotional soap opera statements that work for the masses. i usually throw up when i read them.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Indeed.
If you don't like the fact Sachin is dominating and averaging almost 100 this year, then fine. But don't whinge about the fact it's being pointed out.
The exact same **** was happening to Yousuf in 2006, Shiv and Ponting a few years ago. The difference is Sachin is doing it at 37 years of age and after 21 years of cricket whilst leading his team to the top of the test rankings. Of course it's going to get amazing fanfare.
pasag
RTDAS
Such a bad post
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
If you praise Sachin for his stats - you are statsguru-driven
If you praise Sachin for his off-field behavior - you are insane
If you think Sachin to be better than some yesteryears' cricketers without having seen those cricketers live - Then well, let's not talk about it
If you think Sachin to be better than some yesteryears' cricketers and you have seen those cricketers play live - Well, you are just joining the party, or you want to be popular in India...must be something like that
And on CW, you can't praise Sachin. You'll be labelled a fanboy.
But I don't care. I will praise Sachin. I think he's the best batsman to play the game after the retirement of Garry Sobers. I think he's the 2nd best ODI batsman ever after Viv. I think he's the best batsman ever to have come from Asia. In spite of rating Bradman, Hobbs, Sobers, Hammond and Hutton higher I shall praise Sachin. I'm not being afraid of being labelled a fanboy. Dot.
If you praise Sachin for his off-field behavior - you are insane
If you think Sachin to be better than some yesteryears' cricketers without having seen those cricketers live - Then well, let's not talk about it
If you think Sachin to be better than some yesteryears' cricketers and you have seen those cricketers play live - Well, you are just joining the party, or you want to be popular in India...must be something like that
And on CW, you can't praise Sachin. You'll be labelled a fanboy.
But I don't care. I will praise Sachin. I think he's the best batsman to play the game after the retirement of Garry Sobers. I think he's the 2nd best ODI batsman ever after Viv. I think he's the best batsman ever to have come from Asia. In spite of rating Bradman, Hobbs, Sobers, Hammond and Hutton higher I shall praise Sachin. I'm not being afraid of being labelled a fanboy. Dot.
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
weldone, let's not go overboard. I don't think it's bagapath is being anti-Sachin here at all (although I do think Ikki is clearly unhappy Sachin is scoring such an amazing amount of runs, but meh he has the right to be).
We're talking about character.
I wonder if Bagapath would say the same thing about some of the nice things that have been said about Rahul Dravid over the years, who is just as much a class act as Sachin, if not more.
We're talking about character.
I wonder if Bagapath would say the same thing about some of the nice things that have been said about Rahul Dravid over the years, who is just as much a class act as Sachin, if not more.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I think the point he's making is that it seems to come up when analysing his feats as a cricketer, which it shouldn't.You're basically having a go at people liking Sachin because he's a nice guy
One of the weirder things i've ever seen.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
I really don't think they do at all.
People mention it when they discuss his traits in articles and books, but that is commonplace among Federer too (which used to **** me since it'd be false, but that's another story) and Nadal.
Occurs in AFL too among some champion players who are modest. Judd is spoken about for his professionalism and classy behaviour a lot.
Assuming it happens in other sports I don't follow as well.
People mention it when they discuss his traits in articles and books, but that is commonplace among Federer too (which used to **** me since it'd be false, but that's another story) and Nadal.
Occurs in AFL too among some champion players who are modest. Judd is spoken about for his professionalism and classy behaviour a lot.
Assuming it happens in other sports I don't follow as well.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Praise from Warne/others in this particular period of his career. Whilst I agree with vcs that he is in great form and that is certainly one of the reasons for the praise. With Tendulkar there is a bit more of a bandwagon atmosphere around it.Are you talking about praise from Warne or praise for Sachin in general?
I don't see why people praising Sachin on having his greatest year ever in his 21st year of cricket should be an issue. In fact, it's perfectly fine. Unless of course you don't like the fact he's scoring lots of runs
Warne didn't really need to bring Lara into it and the behaviour thing is said so much it's become cliche and superfluous in many ways.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Warne brought it up when comparing him to Lara as a cricketer though. That's where this started. I think bagapath made a fair enough point actually - it actually does irritate me a little bit when someone's sporting achievements are being discussed and then someone chimes in with their opinion on their personality as if its somehow relevant. If it's a book or an article about the guy in general then fine but sometimes it's just not very relevant.