*Official* Australia in India 2010

[BoyBrumby]

He'll be earning the square root of **** all if he continues bowling like he did today.

Fair call, yus.

India's bowling coach needs to earn his corn. Boy obviously has the raw material (hate to harken back to that spell, but it was a very impressive working over of an all time great by a kid just out of short trousers) so something needs to be done.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Someone else alluded to it earlier, but I think that a lot of the Indian pacers being taken straight into international cricket at a young age is having a big detrimental long term effect. These guys (looking at you, Ishant and Irfan) have the basic tools, which is why they come onto the scene in an impressive fashion, but they haven't had the development programs put in place and the bulk of bowling at a lower level to put up with the workload that they undertake at an international level.

You look at someone like Siddle, and his body has been put through the wringer at a number of different levels before he was given the chance to play for his country. At times it hasn't stood up, but he's gone back and developed further with his body till it can stand the rigours, without alterting his effectiveness. The English are the same, with their large amounts of county cricket.

Think India are going to be better off in the long term identifying these players and trying to implement a development program to make sure that they are ready to be talented, quick, and dependable, fast bowlers at the age of 23, rather than lighting up their eyes over the next great talent.

 

[BoyBrumby]

You see any of Ojha today, vic? Interested to know what you thought if so.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Didn't catch any of the game today. I saw that you (or someone) mentioned that he seemed to be pushing them through a bit, which was surprising as when I've seen him in previous instances - admittedly in limited overs formats - he's been reasonably slow and prepared to give the ball some flight, and makes the batsman generate the pace.

Actually played against him a few years ago, on the preparation tour that we took to India. Got taken to big time in one game, but came back in other games and continued to throw the ball up and was prepared to take on the batsman. Always managed to get enough spin to keep the batsman worried.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Didn't catch any of the game today. I saw that you (or someone) mentioned that he seemed to be pushing them through a bit, which was surprising as when I've seen him in previous instances - admittedly in limited overs formats - he's been reasonably slow and prepared to give the ball some flight, and makes the batsman generate the pace.

Actually played against him a few years ago, on the preparation tour that we took to India. Got taken to big time in one game, but came back in other games and continued to throw the ball up and was prepared to take on the batsman. Always managed to get enough spin to keep the batsman worried.

Def wasn't me; one of the most impressive things about his spell was his willingness to toss it up. Bowled 48-51mph pretty much all day. Was very, very accurate and when one bit he spun it quite a bit. Should really have had Watson with one that turned and took the edge but Dhoni just never closed his hands.

 

[Faisal1985]

Updated at: 1545 PST, Friday, October 01, 2010
MOHALI: On the first day of the India vs Australia series Australian skipper Ricky Ponting and Indian pacer Zaheer Khan were seen involved in an argument.

Ricky Ponting was dismissed by Zaheer Khan in the opening Test at PCA Stadium on Friday, the two were seen indulged in a verbal spat.

The incident took place when Ponting was on his way to pavillion. Ponting went for a determined 71 but as he was walking away Zaheer made remarks that sparked off a verbal exchange.

Ponting was even seen raising his bat at Zaheer, who then raised his hand pointing at the pavilion. Umpire Billy Bowden had to intervene to cool down the players.

Source: Ponting-Zaheer involved in verbal argument

Anyone knows what went on here? didn't catch these part of the game..

 

[Manee]

Fair call, yus.

Fair and obvious call, I just wanted to use that phrase.

India's bowling coach needs to earn his corn. Boy obviously has the raw material (hate to harken back to that spell, but it was a very impressive working over of an all time great by a kid just out of short trousers) so something needs to be done.

Eric Simmons, I think his name is. I have no idea why we sacked Prasad, he was doing a good job.

 

[Manee]

Def wasn't me; one of the most impressive things about his spell was his willingness to toss it up. Bowled 48-51mph pretty much all day. Was very, very accurate and when one bit he spun it quite a bit. Should really have had Watson with one that turned and took the edge but Dhoni just never closed his hands.

I think the drop off Ojha wasn't too bad a drop, it was a tough chance. Those either stick of they don't. The one of Paine also was more difficult than it looked, the ball bloody well hooped both before and after pitching. It was the Sehwag drop that infuriated me, you should always be taking those.

 

[Manee]

Updated at: 1545 PST, Friday, October 01, 2010
MOHALI: On the first day of the India vs Australia series Australian skipper Ricky Ponting and Indian pacer Zaheer Khan were seen involved in an argument.

Ricky Ponting was dismissed by Zaheer Khan in the opening Test at PCA Stadium on Friday, the two were seen indulged in a verbal spat.

The incident took place when Ponting was on his way to pavillion. Ponting went for a determined 71 but as he was walking away Zaheer made remarks that sparked off a verbal exchange.

Ponting was even seen raising his bat at Zaheer, who then raised his hand pointing at the pavilion. Umpire Billy Bowden had to intervene to cool down the players.

Source: Ponting-Zaheer involved in verbal argument

Anyone knows what went on here? didn't catch these part of the game..

Ponting run out. The 'out' comes on the big screen. Ponting walks off, Zaheer shouts something at him from the team huddle when he is about two or three yards away, he then goes to have a final word and they have a 5second chat before Ponting walks off.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Updated at: 1545 PST, Friday, October 01, 2010
MOHALI: On the first day of the India vs Australia series Australian skipper Ricky Ponting and Indian pacer Zaheer Khan were seen involved in an argument.

Ricky Ponting was dismissed by Zaheer Khan in the opening Test at PCA Stadium on Friday, the two were seen indulged in a verbal spat.

The incident took place when Ponting was on his way to pavillion. Ponting went for a determined 71 but as he was walking away Zaheer made remarks that sparked off a verbal exchange.

Ponting was even seen raising his bat at Zaheer, who then raised his hand pointing at the pavilion. Umpire Billy Bowden had to intervene to cool down the players.

Source: Ponting-Zaheer involved in verbal argument

Anyone knows what went on here? didn't catch these part of the game..

Ponting definitely wasn't dismissed by Zaheer; he was rather brilliantly run out by Raina's direct hit as he ambled through for a dodgy single called by Watson (reckon if he'd gone hard he'd have made it). Zaheer gave him a bit of a send off (never less than ****ish IMHO) and Punter turned and walked towards him, clearly saying something in reply before turning to walk off. Zaheer then went to follow him, presumably to exchange mobile numbers, but was held back by one of his team mates.

All very unnecessary.

 

[Sanz]

I have problem with Zaheer's behavior, He couldn't take it when English players were throwing jellybeans, he complained that it was disrespectful.

So is it not disrespectful to mouth off a player who was just run out ?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yea there's no excuse for that sort of behaviour from Zaheer Khan. You've got whatever time it takes for the verdict to come up on the screen to get yourself composed. To act like a turd after someone else has run him out, with all that time taken and he's just walking off is totally unacceptable.

 

[Faisal1985]

Ponting definitely wasn't dismissed by Zaheer; he was rather brilliantly run out by Raina's direct hit as he ambled through for a dodgy single called by Watson (reckon if he'd gone hard he'd have made it). Zaheer gave him a bit of a send off (never less than ****ish IMHO) and Punter turned and walked towards him, clearly saying something in reply before turning to walk off. Zaheer then went to follow him, presumably to exchange mobile numbers, but was held back by one of his team mates.

All very unnecessary.

Pretty dumb reporting there by the news paper...

So there was no "raising the bat" part to the whole thing i guess.

 

[four_or_six]

Apparently Zaheer shouted "I bet Kirsten just burnt his toast"

 

[BoyBrumby]

Pretty dumb reporting there by the news paper...

So there was no "raising the bat" part to the whole thing i guess.

Well to call it "bat raising" is mischief making IMHO, but Ponting did have his bat out in front of him pointing when he turned to reply to Zaheer.

Zaheer was definitely the instigator here tho.

 

[Faisal1985]

Well to call it "bat raising" is mischief making IMHO, but Ponting did have his bat out in front of him pointing when he turned to reply to Zaheer.

Zaheer was definitely the instigator here tho.

Yeah pretty bad reporting from The News.

 

[shankar]

I dont recall ever seeing Sreesanth reverse-swinging the ball - just conventional swing. But AFAIS, Khan since 2007 is the only IND bowler that has consistently showed the ability to swing it irish.

Sreesanth one of the best in reverse swing: Dhoni: Rediff Sports

 

[shankar]

Someone else alluded to it earlier, but I think that a lot of the Indian pacers being taken straight into international cricket at a young age is having a big detrimental long term effect. These guys (looking at you, Ishant and Irfan) have the basic tools, which is why they come onto the scene in an impressive fashion, but they haven't had the development programs put in place and the bulk of bowling at a lower level to put up with the workload that they undertake at an international level.

Yeah, the strategy has worked reasonably well with batsmen. But they need to treat fast bowlers differently.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Doesn't explain how Pakistan manages it, though.

 

[silentstriker]

Someone else alluded to it earlier, but I think that a lot of the Indian pacers being taken straight into international cricket at a young age is having a big detrimental long term effect. These guys (looking at you, Ishant and Irfan) have the basic tools, which is why they come onto the scene in an impressive fashion, but they haven't had the development programs put in place and the bulk of bowling at a lower level to put up with the workload that they undertake at an international level.

You look at someone like Siddle, and his body has been put through the wringer at a number of different levels before he was given the chance to play for his country. At times it hasn't stood up, but he's gone back and developed further with his body till it can stand the rigours, without alterting his effectiveness. The English are the same, with their large amounts of county cricket.

Think India are going to be better off in the long term identifying these players and trying to implement a development program to make sure that they are ready to be talented, quick, and dependable, fast bowlers at the age of 23, rather than lighting up their eyes over the next great talent.

That's easier said than done. The type of development and resources needed are available only at the national team level, and that's not the appropriate place as you say. What they need to do is send them over to county cricket whenever possible. That's where they'll learn. Indian money magically disappears somewhere.