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*Official* Australia in India 2010

Julian87

State Captain
It's pretty simple.

I've explained that Bollinger got his Test figures against club standard batting lineups - NZ, WI, Pak. When he came up against a decent batting lineup (SA) he was exposed, and when he played overseas for the first time in a Test (in England) he was woeful. I like to look beyond the stats, and use my judgement. I think Bollinger is massively overhyped, and not even Ponting had confidence in him in England.

It's a better balanced side in my opinion having Watson as the third quick in India, and having Smith and Hauritz to bowl spin. Nothing to do with Smith 'reminding me of Warne'. lol
Bollinger was on debut against RSA bowling on a road and actually had a couple of slips catches dropped, one when the game was in the balance. He has succeeded everywhere and anywhere else bar England, where his bang it in bowling isn't really suited, as has been covered by several non short sighted members. And on top of all this his record on the sub continent in all forms of cricket is pretty much tremendous. He will be the lynchpin of the attack, quite obviously.

And of course you look beyond stats....when they don't back your argument....In the one post I quoted you mentioned Smith's FC batting average and Bollinger's FC average (both of which are largely irrelevant considering the careers of each player).

Don't even get me started on Watson as a third pace option. It's already been shot down by everyone else for glaringly obvious reasons.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
I have big reservations about guys who lob in the scene from nowhere when they're 28 or 29. He only averages 28 in FC with the ball. I just don't think he's that good of a bowler, and am not convinced that at his age that there is great scope for improvement.

I've explained that Bollinger got his Test figures against club standard batting lineups - NZ, WI, Pak. When he came up against a decent batting lineup (SA) he was exposed, and when he played overseas for the first time in a Test (in England) he was woeful. I like to look beyond the stats, and use my judgement. I think Bollinger is massively overhyped, and not even Ponting had confidence in him in England.

Did you have reservation about Stuart Clark when he brust on the scene @ 31 from nowhere with a similar FC average?. What about Colin Miller back in the days also?. I find this a weird reason to have reservations about Bollinger TBH.

Secondly i find it quite odd you would say a bowler in 1st test was exposed. You can never judge a player properly after one test. I would think its pretty obvious that Bollinger is much improved bowler in international cricket since that opening test.

Also as i told you before. The only sub-standard team out of NZ, PAK, WI Bollinger had to bowl to was vs PAK. You seem to forget how well the Windies played in AUS & NZ although AUS beat them fairly easily certainly played weren't the pushovers & Bollinger had to bowl well to get them out. Plus in ENG he just had two bad tests - thats all, its not as if PAKs batting was anything great.

I like beyond stats too & i am stunend your assesment of Bollinger career to date TBH. I see & would think a majority see's a top-quality bowler - by no means is he overated


Smith is unproven. But boy, let's look at him. He's 21, averages 50+ with the bat in FC cricket, has taken a five wicket haul, lands them well, and spins them plenty. He's also a great field. I think he's much more value to the team than someone like North, and I'm just not convinced that Bollinger will go that great over there, although I understand your thoughts in picking him.
Spin doesn't win in IND, much less Smith whose bowling is still very much a work in progress as far as tests is concerned. Added to the fact that Hauritz role will be that of containing bowler (and this is a big IF as aformentioned because i can see the IND batsmen hitting out of the attack), much less young rookie leggie, you playing with too much fire with such a selection. AUS main source of wickets is the pacers - simple.

If North is to dropped as most people would hope, Hughes has to play.

Bollinger can reverse swing the ball - you dont need more convincing than that. I dont hear you quesitoning Johnson given he had a worse series in ENG compared to Bollinger & cant reverse-swing the ball - which would make him AUS least effective quick in IND conditons.



As I say, I'd only overwork Watson in these two Tests - they're unique circumstances. I think allrounders are out strength at the moment, guys like Watson and Smith can give us real flexibility on the subcontinent. I dare say they have picked Hughes instead of Usman because they are looking to drop Watson down the order with the view of bowling him much more in these two Tests.
Watson isn't good enough to play as 3rd seamer, so overbowling him wont make a difference. As i said, given he is arguably our best reverse-swing bowler of the quarter, he should be used in short shapr bursts & rested.

If he has to for eg bowl as the 1st change seamer, on those flat pitches when the ball hasn't begun to reverse yet - he will be easy meat for the IND batsmen.

All-roundersone-day in the near future may very well and be AUS strenght. But it isn't right now since Smith is not one yet, so again for reasons afromentioned Smith can't play.

Watson should open still, even in Hughes plays (hope he does). Katich should be the one to move down back to middle-order instead.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
Smith is a leg spinner. Leg spinners never succeed in Ind against India. People should have learned after Cameron White was tried in a similar role ffs.:p
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Smith is a leg spinner. Leg spinners never succeed in Ind against India. People should have learned after Cameron White was tried in a similar role ffs.:p
Cameron White has never turned a leg-break in his life. Unfair comparison.
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
I'm happy for Steve Smith to tour India, but I still think he needs a full season of Shield Cricket before he is ready for Test matches. Without a doubt the best talent in the country though, I have never seen a cricketer improve so much in such a short space of time.
 
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Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Point still stands though. Offies or SLAs are better bets compared to leggies against India.
I don't believe any spinner is a good bet against India. Even Muralitharan averages 45 in India. Tough job to break the Indian top-order with spin.
 

howardj

International Coach
Bollinger was on debut against RSA bowling on a road and actually had a couple of slips catches dropped, one when the game was in the balance. He has succeeded everywhere and anywhere else bar England, where his bang it in bowling isn't really suited, as has been covered by several non short sighted members. And on top of all this his record on the sub continent in all forms of cricket is pretty much tremendous. He will be the lynchpin of the attack, quite obviously.

And of course you look beyond stats....when they don't back your argument....In the one post I quoted you mentioned Smith's FC batting average and Bollinger's FC average (both of which are largely irrelevant considering the careers of each player).

Don't even get me started on Watson as a third pace option. It's already been shot down by everyone else for glaringly obvious reasons.
You look at stats and use your judgement. I mean, Bollinger's stats are against club standard lineups mate.
 

kingpin

State Vice-Captain
i still have doubt on bollinger including in test squad....He always bangs it short.....In Indian pitches that's a crime...
 
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NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
i still have doudts on bollinger including in test squad....
Bollinger is being targeted unfairly at the moment. If you have doubts on Bollinger being in our squad, how do you feel about North, Smith, George, Starc, Pattinson and I guess Paine?
 

howardj

International Coach
Time will tell.

That's the beauty of a cricket forum - you got to make the big calls

Get them out there.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
i still have doubt on bollinger including in test squad....He always bangs it short.....In Indian pitches that's a crime...
I don't think it is always a crime, if you have a bit of pace and you keep the line okay.
 

kingpin

State Vice-Captain
Bollinger is being targeted unfairly at the moment. If you have doubts on Bollinger being in our squad, how do you feel about North, Smith, George, Starc, Pattinson and I guess Paine?
they are still young...No one expects miracles from them.....but bollinger wud be spearhead of bowling.....
 
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pasag

RTDAS
This Bollinger stuff is absolute nonsense. He should be the first name on the team-sheet ffs. Go look at his FC record in India and then get back to me. If he's not our best bowler of the series I'll let the next f00l that wants choose my avatar for a month.

If we dropped everyone who didn't perform in England we wouldn't be able to get 11 players on the field. Craziness.
 
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howardj

International Coach
This Bollinger stuff is absolute nonsense. He should be the first name on the team-sheet ffs. Go look at his FC record in India and then get back to me.

If we dropped everyone who didn't perform in England we wouldn't be able to get 11 players on the field. Craziness.

Let's be careful not to talk in extremes. I am certainly not saying that he is absolutely useless and am in fact advocating/conceding that he comes back into the team for the Ashes. My argument RE his ommission, is unique to these two Tests, and just that I feel that Johnson, Hilfenhorse, Watson, Smith and Hauritz are a better collective package.

And Watson is not some 89 year old Grandad. He's a 20-something Hulk who I am sure can get through two Tests bowling 15 overs per day.
 

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