*Official* - Road to India in South Africa - 2010-11

[Sir Alex]

No doubt we have a better batting line-up in South Africa and other test nations around the world where there is either bounce, pace or side-ways movement if we had to play India.

Not really mate. WE have done well in Australia, England, New Zealand etc. Perhaps you might say we haven't done well in SA. Agreed. But if you check records of last time we toured your place, your guys too didn't do well with the bat.

 

[taipan1]

Would replace AB with Laxman, and Dhoni would also make it if you consider top 7.

I wouldn't. Laxman doesnt have that good a record in SA. Ditto Dhoni. Íf I went for top 7 it would have to be Boucher as he is the superior keeper.

 

[taipan1]

Not really mate. WE have done well in Australia, England, New Zealand etc. Perhaps you might say we haven't done well in SA. Agreed. But if you check records of last time we toured your place, your guys too didn't do well with the bat.

I would say that SA has done better in Eng, Aus and NZ than India

 

[Sir Alex]

I wouldn't. Laxman doesnt have that good a record in SA. Ditto Dhoni. Íf I went for top 7 it would have to be Boucher as he is the superior keeper.

Let's clear This. Are you talking performances only in SA? If yes, I would agree.

 

[Sir Alex]

I would say that SA has done better in Eng, Aus and NZ than India

CBA to check stats, but am sure Kallis has a poor record in Eng. Would take Dravid above him there.

 

[taipan1]

Let's clear This. Are you talking performances only in SA? If yes, I would agree.

Sorry I thought we were discussing this series only. That is why I am saying SA have the superior batting line up for this series.

 

[SeamUp]

We're for once actually going to get some decent cricket before a big series with a tour of Dubai against Pakistan.

At least we aren't going into this series cold, like we have been doing with the Champions Trophy and T20 WC.

 

[Spark]

Would replace AB with Laxman, and Dhoni would also make it if you consider top 7.

I'd replace Amla with Laxman myself and then shuffle to fit.

 

[SeamUp]

We can all have our opinions on who is the better individual...that player is better than that the player... but it all boils down to how how well a player performs to his role within his team's line-up.

 

[SeamUp]

Would replace AB with Laxman, and Dhoni would also make it if you consider top 7.

AB was the only player in the 6 test match series between ourselves and Australia to score 3 hundreds and he scored the most runs overall.

He is now even a better player than then when he faced a stronger pace-attack in Australia home and away.

 

[vcs]

I would say that SA has done better in Eng, Aus and NZ than India

You'd be wrong, one win over Australia down under doesn't make up for a decade of getting hammered home and away.

And we've both done about the same in England. Not sure about NZ.

 

[Teja.]

Will agree that there is not much and perhaps the SA batting lineup is a little better in SA. Overall, however, The Indian batting lineup is better by a landmile.

 

[taipan1]

You'd be wrong, one win over Australia down under doesn't make up for a decade of getting hammered home and away.

And we've both done about the same in England. Not sure about NZ.

Which is one more than India has got.

India has one series win in NZ since 1967/8.

And no one can seriously disagree that SA has a far superior record in India than the converse.

 

[Spark]

TBH I would say India overall have been better here. They've run us close on numerous occasions over the past decade or so, and whilst SA actually tasted success, that was the only time they were even remotely likely to do so.

 

[SeamUp]

TBH I would say India overall have been better here. They've run us close on numerous occasions over the past decade or so, and whilst SA actually tasted success, that was the only time they were even remotely likely to do so.

It was a 1-1 series in 1993 where Australia had to win the last test match to draw the series.

Then in 1998 you only beat us at SCG where we always lost due to Warne. So you won 1-0 and I seem to remember us being rather unlucky in the Adelaide test where S. Pollock got 7-87 and the Aussie boys were 7 down fighting for all life in the 4th innings to get a draw.

Then I agree...for the next couple of series in Australia we were poor. Arguably Australia were at their peak then and we had a few issues.

Then the tour before we won in Australia, it was 2-0 to Australia but we gave a generous decleration at the SCG in the 3rd test to try and win so make of it what you will.

Then we won there on our last visit.

If you've recently seen R. Pontings XI, there are more SAF's than any other nation and if you speak to many Australian cricketers on who their toughest opponents have been and they will say South Africa. Warne has stated that on numerous ocassions and we seem to have put a few Australian careers on the back-burners....like Damien Martyn and Matt Hayden (twice). Two brilliant cricketers in the last decade for Australia.

 

[vcs]

Which is one more than India has got.

India has one series win in NZ since 1967/8.

And no one can seriously disagree that SA has a far superior record in India than the converse.

And when did you last beat them at home?

Sure SA have comfortably had the better of us head to head but overall there isn't much between SA and India in Test cricket over the last decade. SA have been a massive flop against the best team of their generation despite talking themselves up before every series and being, on paper, perhaps the best equipped of any side in the world to cope with them.

 

[taipan1]

The fact remains that India have never won a series in either Aus or SA. In the last decade SA has beaten every team away, and with the exception of Aus every team at home.

 

[Matt79]

It was a 1-1 series in 1993 where Australia had to win the last test match to draw the series.

Then in 1998 you only beat us at SCG where we always lost due to Warne. So you won 1-0 and I seem to remember us being rather unlucky in the Adelaide test where S. Pollock got 7-87 and the Aussie boys were 7 down fighting for all life in the 4th innings to get a draw.

Then I agree...for the next couple of series in Australia we were poor. Arguably Australia were at their peak then and we had a few issues.

Then the tour before we won in Australia, it was 2-0 to Australia but we gave a generous decleration at the SCG in the 3rd test to try and win so make of it what you will.

Then we won there on our last visit.

If you've recently seen R. Pontings XI, there are more SAF's than any other nation and if you speak to many Australian cricketers on who their toughest opponents have been and they will say South Africa. Warne has stated that on numerous ocassions and we seem to have put a few Australian careers on the back-burners....like Damien Martyn and Matt Hayden (twice). Two brilliant cricketers in the last decade for Australia.

Oh now issue that for a period in the 1990s the Saffies were the number two side in the world. But however you spin it in terms of being down to luck or 'Warne' (not really clear how that's different from us being the better side), you guys consistently failed to get the job done. It was only when you caught us at a 20 year low while you were at a similarly extreme high that you got a win over us. Of course we did win the next series.

 

[vcs]

The fact remains that India have never won a series in either Aus or SA. In the last decade SA has beaten every team away, and with the exception of Aus every team at home.

All true. They have also built up a well-deserved reputation for folding against the big boys consistently. One series does not change all that no matter how much you try to dress it up.

 

[taipan1]

All true. They have also built up a well-deserved reputation for folding against the big boys consistently. One series does not change all that no matter how much you try to dress it up.

Well that clears one thing up. You clearly don't count India as one of the big boys. Yeah, SA does have a folders rep in ODI's, never denied it. But where does that leave India. Apart from the one WC, many years ago, India haven't done much either.