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Cricketers who have had a lasting impact on how the game is played.

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Also, gotta mention Sourav Ganguly here. Took us out of the match fixing era with a bang. It is conveniently forgotten how little cricket was viewed and how disinterested were viewers with cricket in India around that time, inspite of having Tendulkar around. Ganguly's captaincy just brought a new perspective on cricket to India. And that 2001 series is a watershed moment in Indian cricket.
 

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Also, gotta mention Sourav Ganguly here. Took us out of the match fixing era with a bang. It is conveniently forgotten how little cricket was viewed and how disinterested were viewers with cricket in India around that time, inspite of having Tendulkar around. Ganguly's captaincy just brought a new perspective on cricket to India. And that 2001 series is a watershed moment in Indian cricket.
This.

However, I would say Tendulkar's presence and his non-involvement in that scandal also kept a lot of people going through those dark days.
 

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Yeah, they've just put up the feature on Bradman. The statistical analysis article is a great read.
Wally Hammond and Sutcliffe's records are also strikingly brilliant. Did Sutcliffe get overshadowed by Hobbs?
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Bradman, because he revolutionised the art of batting.
See, I don't know that he did. He was such an egregious talent I don't necessarily think he changed the way lesser mortals play. He scored more quickly and more copiously than those before & (wrt the lattter) since, but should John Q Batsman seek to ape him he'd probably come unstuck.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Also, gotta mention Sourav Ganguly here. Took us out of the match fixing era with a bang. It is conveniently forgotten how little cricket was viewed and how disinterested were viewers with cricket in India around that time, inspite of having Tendulkar around. Ganguly's captaincy just brought a new perspective on cricket to India. And that 2001 series is a watershed moment in Indian cricket.
can't tell about others, but it was true for me at least...
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
See, I don't know that he did. He was such an egregious talent I don't necessarily think he changed the way lesser mortals play. He scored more quickly and more copiously than those before & (wrt the lattter) since, but should John Q Batsman seek to ape him he'd probably come unstuck.
Exactly, I made a similar point before in this thread...
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Warne has had a lasting impact on how I watch the game nowadays. Just seems less exciting. Dreaming Warne loses a side-bet at a poker table or something and comes out of retirement.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Warne has had a lasting impact on how I watch the game nowadays. Just seems less exciting. Dreaming Warne loses a side-bet at a poker table or something and comes out of retirement.
Yeah, thats true. We now have to put up with.....Graeme Swann :ph34r:
 

Burgey

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Wally Hammond and Sutcliffe's records are also strikingly brilliant. Did Sutcliffe get overshadowed by Hobbs?
Without question he was. Sutcliffe's innings in Melbourne in 28-29 (Hobbs too) plainly one of the great wet wicket knocks, if not the greatest.

What a player he must have been.
 
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vic_orthdox

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See, I don't know that he did. He was such an egregious talent I don't necessarily think he changed the way lesser mortals play. He scored more quickly and more copiously than those before & (wrt the lattter) since, but should John Q Batsman seek to ape him he'd probably come unstuck.
A question for someone who knows more.

How did Bradman's grip differ from the normal one? I remember that he showed it to Greg Chappell who then went on to use it.

When referring to the normal grip, I'm saying the "Make a V down the back of the bat", etc.
 

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A question for someone who knows more.

How did Bradman's grip differ from the normal one? I remember that he showed it to Greg Chappell who then went on to use it.

When referring to the normal grip, I'm saying the "Make a V down the back of the bat", etc.
I stand to be corrected but I think it was a far more closed grip, which theoretically means he should have had trouble playing to the off side, though he didn't.

It also meant his pull shot, which he favoured so much, was almost invariably played straight to ground.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
Clive Lloyd as captain, perhaps? Dispensed with spinners more or less completely, Sir Viv's mildly ropey offies aside. CBA to check, but it'd be interesting to know how many games he captained where the XI didn't have a specialist twirler in.
If we're talking about captains, then I'll put in Allan Border: brought a tough-as-nails attitude to captaincy and towards the opposition, not giving an inch and never backing down or giving in. That's Australia's attitude to the game to this day, tbh.

Although one could argue that Ian Chappell started all of that. But it has continued ever since Border took the job.
 

bagapath

International Captain
In chronological order....

WG Grace - redefined the art of batsmanship. came up with front foot and back foot play according to the length of the ball and that, arguably, helped batsmen counter bowling more effectively and increased batting averages overall; 20s became 30s and so forth
Ranji - expanded the art of batsmanship; before him one third of the ground, behind square on the leg side, was virtually unused by batsmen
Bosanquet - Googly!
Jardine and Larwood because of Bradman - the leg trap; bouncers became an indimidating tool to dismiss batsmen
Lloyd and the pace quartet and Lillee and Thompson - all out pace to win test matches
Viv Richards - Brought in new levels of aggression into middle order batsmanship;
Sarfraz - Reverse swing! Made sure fast bowlers were still in the game when the ball became old; more effectively, perhaps
Jaysuriya - firmed up the school started by Srikkanth and followed by Greatbatch and Tendulkar before him that the opening overs in one-dayers are supposed to be used for scoring big runs
Gilchrist - Made every team realize that the wicket keeper should score as many runs as a top order batsman, thus giving the captain more freedom in choosing an extra bowler if he wants

There are countless other great cricketers like sobers, imran, miller, hadlee, sachin, lara, warne, murali, botham, mcgrath, gavaskar, hutton, hobbs, trumper, hammond, rhodes, headley, chappell, border, waugh, miandad, kallis, waugh and ponting who ruled the cricket world at different times. but they did not change the game.
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Jack Iverson - might be a slight stretch to say he changed the way the game's played, but he did introduce a new way of spinning the ball. Since then there's only been two bowlers to attempt something similar (Gleeson and Mendis), and both have averages north of 30 (and climbing in the latter's case). I've only seen Mendis bowl of the three, but judging based on him, In think once batsmen have realised that he's not actually a massive spinner of the ball despite the unusual way it's delivered they're more prepared to trust their eyes and play him off the pitch.
 

Daemon

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depends on how you view it. I think there is more of a chance of a talented player coming through if 10 guys took to a game than 2 did..
Of course there is, but do you see that quality of fast bowling in India atm? And with the few exceptions, how many of them have actually been truly inspired to pick up fast bowling by Kapil?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Without question he was. Sutcliffe's innings in Melbourne in 28-29 (Hobbs too) plainly one of the great wet wicket knocks, if not the greatest.

What a player he must have been.
Have grown a great deal of respect and awe for Wally Hammond since the scorecard draft when I chanced to read up on him..
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Of course there is, but do you see that quality of fast bowling in India atm? And with the few exceptions, how many of them have actually been truly inspired to pick up fast bowling by Kapil?
From Srinath to Zak, they havementioned him. Harbhajan said he was inspired by Kapil and tried fast bowling only to realize he was not cut out for it. But you never know, he may not have played the game but for Kapil. Sidhu has mentioned being inspired by Kapil more than Gavaskar.
 

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