Sehwag - Best Batsman In World Cricket Right Now

[vcs]

No, did you ever consider that India might have batted well?

After the first Test, India's batting in bowler-friendly conditions was the best by any visiting team in England for a long time (bar SA in 2008). It was a proper team effort as well, plenty of half-centuries and only the one hundred by Kumble of all people.

 

[tooextracool]

No, did you ever consider that India might have batted well?

After the first Test, India's batting in bowler-friendly conditions was the best by any visiting team in England for a long time (bar SA in 2008). It was a proper team effort as well, plenty of half-centuries and only the one hundred by Kumble of all people.

India were seriously advantaged by the conditions that series. That series was really played between 2 even sides.

 

[vcs]

India were seriously advantaged by the conditions that series. That series was really played between 2 even sides.

Why do you think that? We were lucky to draw the first Test with the rain, but England have also had several such escapes in recent times...

 

[tooextracool]

Why do you think that? We were lucky to draw the first Test with the rain, but England have also had several such escapes in recent times...

How is that relevant to whether India were lucky in the context of that series?

 

[vcs]

How is that relevant to whether India were lucky in the context of that series?

Just pointing out that pretty every team gets a bit of luck at some point. Not everybody is good enough to make the most of it though. How did the conditions give us a big advantage in the second and third matches?

Anyway, India hung on to draw the first Test, England scraped a draw in the third, so the result was a fair reflection of the series.

 

[akilana]

India were deserved winner of that series.

 

[Sir Alex]

Whats your point? Someone who averages 70+ over the past year playing almost exclusively in the subcontinent (and struggling in the one series he played outside) vs someone whos averaging 60 odd over the past year having played in England, South Africa, Australia etc.

You are telling me theres a case for Sehwag being miles ahead of this person?

Hate the bracketing of subcontinent pitches into one. Sehwag played in India, SL and Ban. He was lacklustse in Ban, and made his runs against some of the world's best attacks on the remaining pitches.

I'd regard facing Murali and Co on SL pitches much more difficul than facing Anderson and Broad in England or Johnson and Riddle in Australia.

It's not Sehwag's fault that he hasn't played in SA or Eng during this time. The coming SA series should shut up the flat bully critics should he continue in the same vein there too.

 

[tooextracool]

Just pointing out that pretty every team gets a bit of luck at some point. Not everybody is good enough to make the most of it though. How did the conditions give us a big advantage in the second and third matches?

Anyway, India hung on to draw the first Test, England scraped a draw in the third, so the result was a fair reflection of the series.

India hung on for the rain in the first test, which is pretty fortunate in anyone's book.
In the 2nd test they got to bowl in perfect bowling conditions and when they batted they took advantage of the best conditions of the match.
They were the better team in the 3rd test no denying that.

At the end of the day 1-1 was a more accurate reflection of the series. Whether you make the most of the luck you get is irrelevant to the fact that you were lucky to achieve the result. Granted Indian touring teams to England historically would not have taken advantage of this fortune but at the end of the day despite facing a weakened bowling attack I dont think India were the better team that series. Though I will admit that Zaheer Khan was far and away the best bowler of the series.

 

[tooextracool]

Hate the bracketing of subcontinent pitches into one. Sehwag played in India, SL and Ban. He was lacklustse in India Ban, and made his runs against some of the world's best attacks on the remaining pitches.

I'd regard facing Murali and Co on SL pitches much more difficul than facing Anderson and Broad in England or Johnson and Riddle in Australia.

It's not Sehwag's fault that he hasn't played in SA or Eng during this time. The coming SA series should shut up the flat bully critics should he continue in the same vein there too.

Look the basic fact of the matter is that its obvious where Sehwag's strength lies. Hes probably pushing it at being the best player of spin in the world while he has some frailities against the moving ball. I cannot fathom how anyone can suggest that had Sehwag played in England, South Africa and Australia during this time period, his record would not have been somewhat tarnished.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT SEHWAG IS A FLAT TRACK BULLY (AND YOU CAN READ THREADS FROM PAST HISTORY WHERE I HAVE SUGGESTED OTHERWISE AS WELL)

 

[vcs]

India hung on for the rain in the first test, which is pretty fortunate in anyone's book.
In the 2nd test they got to bowl in perfect bowling conditions and when they batted they took advantage of the best conditions of the match.
They were the better team in the 3rd test no denying that.

At the end of the day 1-1 was a more accurate reflection of the series. Whether you make the most of the luck you get is irrelevant to the fact that you were lucky to achieve the result. Granted Indian touring teams to England historically would not have taken advantage of this fortune but at the end of the day despite facing a weakened bowling attack I dont think India were the better team that series. Though I will admit that Zaheer Khan was far and away the best bowler of the series.

Excuses. The first session of any day in England is pretty tough to survive and we usually did that when we batted, mostly due to Tendulkar.

We did bat first in the third Test and batted England out of the game, FTR.

How is 1-1 a more accurate reflection when we dominated two Tests from start to finish?

 

[Cricket_God]

They only won because English entire 1st choice pace attack was out injured.

Yes they missed flintoff but steveharmison form was below par and others like hoggard ,jones
never played again and also guys who got a chance liek anderson cemented their places in the team.

 

[Cricket_God]

Look the basic fact of the matter is that its obvious where Sehwag's strength lies. Hes probably pushing it at being the best player of spin in the world while he has some frailities against the moving ball. I cannot fathom how anyone can suggest that had Sehwag played in England, South Africa and Australia during this time period, his record would not have been somewhat tarnished.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT SEHWAG IS A FLAT TRACK BULLY (AND YOU CAN READ THREADS FROM PAST HISTORY WHERE I HAVE SUGGESTED OTHERWISE AS WELL)

His average is very good in australia better than most english batsman,Every batsman in morden cricket has problems against swing and seam,look at english openers or australian openers performance in england this season.

 

[Sir Alex]

Look the basic fact of the matter is that its obvious where Sehwag's strength lies. Hes probably pushing it at being the best player of spin in the world while he has some frailities against the moving ball. I cannot fathom how anyone can suggest that had Sehwag played in England, South Africa and Australia during this time period, his record would not have been somewhat tarnished.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT SEHWAG IS A FLAT TRACK BULLY (AND YOU CAN READ THREADS FROM PAST HISTORY WHERE I HAVE SUGGESTED OTHERWISE AS WELL)

Sehwag averages 50 plus in Australia. I think more than his career average.

He hasn't had a chance to play in Eng for 9 years and SA for 4. So let us give him a chance to fail in these countries please, after attaining 'maturily' as a bat.

He has weakness against the moving ball, but pray who has not.

He is an opener and one of the most successful in test history, if he could do this without being a great natural player of fast bowling, it's a compliment to his ability to adapt.

 

[tooextracool]

Sehwag averages 50 plus in Australia. I think more than his career average.

He hasn't had a chance to play in Eng for 9 years and SA for 4. So let us give him a chance to fail in these countries please, after attaining 'maturily' as a bat.

He has weakness against the moving ball, but pray who has not.

He is an opener and one of the most successful in test history, if he could do this without being a great natural player of fast bowling, it's a compliment to his ability to adapt.

Do you not understand my point? Even if Sehwag averages 50 in Australia, its still lower than his average over the past year and a half (which is above 70 IIRC). That is exactly my point. Its highly unlikely that Sehwag is going to go to England, Australia and SA and average 70 odd against them no matter how good his form is. That will only happen in the subcontinent. Which is why his record over the past year and a half or so needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[tooextracool]

His average is very good in australia better than most english batsman,Every batsman in morden cricket has problems against swing and seam,look at english openers or australian openers performance in england this season.

Please read the context of the post. No one is arguing that Sehwag will not be successful in England or SA. Just that statistically, even if he has a successful series, his average would be less than what hes been averaging over the past year and a half.

 

[tooextracool]

Excuses. The first session of any day in England is pretty tough to survive and we usually did that when we batted, mostly due to Tendulkar.

We did bat first in the third Test and batted England out of the game, FTR.

How is 1-1 a more accurate reflection when we dominated two Tests from start to finish?

Why is this so hard for you to understand? The 3rd test was a draw despite the fact that pretty much the entire quota of overs were bowled. Im not sure how there is luck involved there, India had 110 overs to bowl England out and they didnt, whether they were the better team that match is irrelevant, they couldnt bowl England out.

The first test on the other hand was a draw entirely due to the elements and not down to one team being incapable of bowling the other out in the allocated amount of time.

 

[silentstriker]

Yes, people score less runs in South Africa than in India....

 

[vcs]

Why is this so hard for you to understand? The 3rd test was a draw despite the fact that pretty much the entire quota of overs were bowled. Im not sure how there is luck involved there, India had 110 overs to bowl England out and they didnt, whether they were the better team that match is irrelevant, they couldnt bowl England out.

The first test on the other hand was a draw entirely due to the elements and not down to one team being incapable of bowling the other out in the allocated amount of time.

Then I'm sure you'll agree that 2-2 would have been a fair reflection of the Ashes last year and Australia should be holding the Ashes.

 

[aussie]

Yes they missed flintoff but steveharmison form was below par and others like hoggard ,jones
never played again and also guys who got a chance liek anderson cemented their places in the team.

Only Jones never played again & conceivably would never have played in that series anyway. Harmo wasn't out of form, Hoggard was still in peak form & of course Flintoff.

There is no way that inexperienced ENG pace trio was going to test the well season IND batting line-up & so it proved to be.

 

[vcs]

Hoggard was dropped after the WI series earlier that summer. I remember the attack was composed of Anderson, Sidebottom, Tremlett and Panesar.