Where to now for Pakistan?

[PhoenixFire]

What's that got to do with anything at hand? Whether or not Stewart got suspended or not (I don't actually care enough to read the article) has absolutely no relevance to this current issue considering it happeened over 10 years ago.

 

[Furball]

Yes like England suspended Alec Stewart when the investigation was underway.

Stewart named in match-fixing report - Cricket, Sport - The Independent

Only three weeks ago, Lord MacLaurin called for further penalties to be imposed on Pakistan's Wasim Akram, who had been suspected of involvement of match-rigging, but while he was named in an inquiry conducted by Mr Justice Qayyum, no proof has been found.
"It's ridiculous," Lord MacLaurin added. "If someone is under suspicion he should be removed from the game until his case is heard and his innocence proved. If an English player was involved that's what would happen."
It will be fascinating to discover if Stewart, against whom not an iota of testimony has been offered, will now be sent home from Pakistan. Probably not.

That'll be why Stewart wasn't suspended.

 

[Sanz]

That'll be why Stewart wasn't suspended.

He was under the suspicion, named by the bookie. Good enough for the 90s. But it was quite clear that Lords had different standards for their players and players from certain other countries.

Read the article, not two words of it.

 

[Sanz]

What's that got to do with anything at hand? Whether or not Stewart got suspended or not (I don't actually care enough to read the article) has absolutely no relevance to this current issue considering it happeened over 10 years ago.

If you don't care to read then don't quote my posts and seek a response from me.

Did you question what the **** has IPL got to do with this thread ?

 

[Furball]

He was under the suspicion, named by the bookie. Good enough for the 90s. But it was quite clear that Lords had different standards for their players and players from certain other countries.

Read the article, not two words of it.

No-one testified against him though.

I could phone Sky TV tomorrow and claim to be a bookie who has been in conversation with Kevin Pietersen about a betting scam. However, unless I provided concrete evidence, then Pietersen shouldn't be under suspicion and shouldn't be suspended. It's vastly different to the scenario with the Pakistani players - who should all be suspended pending an investigation.

If any of us were under suspicion for disciplinary matters at work, particularly if they were of a serious nature, then you'd expect as part of the disciplinary proceedings that you'd be suspended until an investigation into your alleged wrongdoing had taken place. If I was under suspicion for, say, leaking confidential information about the company I worked for, I wouldn't expect to be able to work as normal while an investigation took place.

 

[four_or_six]

It's not just a case of protecting the game by suspending these players - what about protecting the players themselves? Let's assume for a moment that Mohammed Amir is innocent and it's all a set-up. He's then dragged through three weeks of being boo'd, pelted with tomatoes, massive media pressure and unable to do any off-match interviews. Is that the right think to do to an innocent 18-year-old? IMO, the right thing to do is suspend him on full pay and get him out of the limelight for a few weeks.

 

[Sanz]

No-one testified against him though..

What do you mean nobody testified ? The Bookie named him during the CBI inquiry which resulted in Md. Azharuddin banned for life.

 

[Sanz]

It's not just a case of protecting the game by suspending these players - what about protecting the players themselves? Let's assume for a moment that Mohammed Amir is innocent and it's all a set-up. He's then dragged through three weeks of being boo'd, pelted with tomatoes, massive media pressure and unable to do any off-match interviews. Is that the right think to do to an innocent 18-year-old? IMO, the right thing to do is suspend him on full pay and get him out of the limelight for a few weeks.

And I can understand this logic which is in a different tone of what Scaly has said.

Right now, we do not what is right or wrong. In fact If things were crystal clear, ICC would be fully within its rights to suspend a player, they don't have to wait for PCB to act.

 

[Furball]

What do you mean nobody testified ? The Bookie named him during the CBI inquiry which resulted in Md. Azharuddin banned for life.

I'm lifting a direct quote from the article you've given us. The likes of Cronje and Azharuddin had more damning evidence that saw them punished. Stewart was named, but unless you're willing to back up an accusation with evidence, I don't see what grounds there possibly are for suspension.

 

[Sanz]

I could phone Sky TV tomorrow and claim to be a bookie who has been in conversation with Kevin Pietersen about a betting scam. However, unless I provided concrete evidence, then Pietersen shouldn't be under suspicion and shouldn't be suspended. It's vastly different to the scenario with the Pakistani players - who should all be suspended pending an investigation..

As usual you cook up silly analogy in order to defend ECB and its actions in case of Alec Stewart. FYI It was not just someone who claimed to be a bookie. It was THE BOOKIE whose links with many cricketers were proved beyond doubt.

 

[Sanz]

I'm lifting a direct quote from the article you've given us. The likes of Cronje and Azharuddin had more damning evidence that saw them punished. Stewart was named, but unless you're willing to back up an accusation with evidence, I don't see what grounds there possibly are for suspension.

They were punished because their boards ran an inquiry after the bookies named them, something ECB never did or even pursued in case of Alec Stewart.

"In 1993 when England visited India MK requested Manoj Prabhakar to introduce him to Alec Stewart. He (MK) paid a sum of 5,000 pounds sterling to Alec Stewart, who agreed to give information about weather, wicket, team composition, etc, whenever the English team played, but Stewart refused to fix any match for him (MK),” it said."

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20001101/main1.htm

 

[Sanz]

BBC SPORT | CRICKET | Stewart denies taking bookie's money

The report says: "MK (Gupta) discloses that he paid £5,000 to Alec Stewart in exchange for information about pitch, weather, team composition etc whenever England played.
"MK has further stated that Stewart, however, refused to fix any matches for him."
The report added that Prabhakar had confirmed he had introduced Stewart to Gupta.

 

[Scaly piscine]

PCB won't suspend any players | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com

Someone fire that nilwit ffs.

 

[Sanz]

If there is so much evidence, why have the England Authorities not filed any charges against any of the Pakistani Players ? Why haven't the local authorities who seem to have all the evidence taken any against the Players ? Why has the ECB not stepped in and said that they do not want to be associated with the Pakistan team until this investigation completes ?

This happened in England not in Pakistan. English fans should be questioning their own board for allowing the tour to continue.

 

[outbreak]

Thats something i've also been thinking. I'd like to see the ECB or even some of the upcomming county teams taking a stance and refusing to play Pakistan if nothing has been sorted out before the games. The fixer has been arrested but legally what can happen to these guys under english law (forgetting about whatever the cricket authorities dish out as punishment)? Can anyone be jailed (not that i want this)? How serious is it under their laws?

 

[Sanz]

It is all about money, it has always been. While some English fans continue to harp about Pakistan banning these cricketers, English Cricket jumps to embrace these Pakistani Cricketers before anyone else can even blink. Take for example today's reaction @ Somerset :-

Pakistan match fixing allegations: Somerset offer tourists 'warm welcome' in Taunton - Telegraph

Despite of all the allegations from Ball Tampering to match Fixing, most Pakistani players find a place in various county teams before anyone else. Why so ? This is really hypocrisy of the highest level from.

Sometime back there was a match fixing allegation against Essex, why didn't the English fans demand Banning of Essex from the County Cricket ?

This match fixing happened in England, it is England which was unable to stop, they should take the blame too at least as much as they blame others. But when was the last time ECB took responsibility for anything on match fixing ? From Michael Artherton to Alec Stewart to the recent match fixing allegation involving Essex.

 

[andyc]

It is all about money, it has always been. While some English fans continue to spout their deep seeded hatred at the slightest opportunity, English Cricket jumps to embrace these Pakistani Cricketers before anyone else can even blink. Take for example today's reaction @ Somerset :-

We've just been through this in the Fresh match fixing allegations thread with Faisal, Sanz. This sort of crap is in no way appropriate and is only going to provoke other members. Consider this a warning.

 

[Faisal1985]

We've just been through this in the Fresh match fixing allegations thread with Faisal, Sanz. This sort of crap is in no way appropriate and is only going to provoke other members. Consider this a warning.

Dude, seriously i understand you are a mod but Sanz is asking legit questions. Yes i was a bit off there but this is not right..you can't just go around warning people for legit posts.

 

[andyc]

Sanz has been warned for the fact that he accused posters of what is essentially racism, where there appears to be none. Everything else in the post is fine, it's just the bolded part that clearly isn't.

 

[outbreak]

Most likely the english county allegations haven't been proven yet (if you mean the kaneria one) and is being investigated. It hardly has the same amount of evidence going public as the pakistan case does.