nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Iqbal's not an opener, agree otherwise.
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*Official* Pakistan in England 2010
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Iqbal? No.
Farhat? Yes, unfortunately.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
No, instead they've decided to play four opening batsmen.
tooextracool
International Coach
You have to wonder in what part of the world averaging 30 after 20 tests with no centuries to your name is not considered to be a complete failure. Granted Butt and Farhat have been just as bad if not worse, but theres really no point parading a guy who cant even score runs in FC cricket.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Well, they didn't *have* to drop Malik, although it's definitely fair enough that they did - I think he's only a little bit better than Farhat and Hameed as a batsman and he's not only in poor form but is a very disruptive influence on the team. Yousuf wasn't even in the squad to begin with though, so the original planned eleven consisted of three openers and the only backup batsman was an opener. Well done PCB.
Given the (terrible) squad they picked, I probably would've picked the same eleven, but that doesn't mean Hameed should be lauded as the saviour or receive pity for being supposedly unlucky earlier. His Test average is vastly inflated by scoring 275 runs on debut against Khaled Mahmud, Tapash Baiysa, Mohammad Rafique and Mashrafe Mortaza - when you take that out he averages less at Test level than Farhat (who hasn't ever played against Bangladesh), has never hit a century and has an inferior domestic record to both Farhat and Azhar as well. His reputation has been greatly enhanced by regularly being in squads and not being selected in elevens which regularly fail, because people think he "deserves a go" - it's funny how that works because his place in the squad to begin with never seems to be questioned. Should he be in the team given the squad they've picked? Well, maybe, but it's quite debatable as to whether he should've been in the squad in the first place so lets not pretend he's in the Fawad Alam league of selection unluckiness - or batsmanship for that matter.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Ind33d.
wood-e
Cricket Spectator
Farhat
Cant catch a cold and is a walking wicket.
Pitch it up outside off flashy drive and cya later.
Where is Asim Kamal i know hes 35 but pick him
It cringes me everytime is see Imran Farhat play international cricket.
Cant catch a cold and is a walking wicket.
Pitch it up outside off flashy drive and cya later.
Where is Asim Kamal i know hes 35 but pick him
Great interview on TMS.
tooextracool
International Coach
Have to say regarding our top order with the exception of Strauss there are some serious issues.
Cook continues to feel for deliveries instead of letting the ball hit the bat. All the talk about technical weaknesses and footwork is pointless, he needs to learn to let the ball hit the bat rather than the other way around. I suspect that runs under the belt will help him with that, but its a real problem against the moving ball.
Trott needs to learn how to play the horizontal bat shot otherwise Mitch and co will have a real field day against him down under.
Pietersen it seems hasnt learned that his approach of coming down the track against Asif has little chance of success. Asif is a very canny operator and he just drops the ball a little bit shorter so that it has time to do something off the pitch, giving Pietersen even less time to react. AFAIC, Pietersen is playing Asif like a 90mph bowler by taking those few steps forward when he could stay back and face him like a 80 mph bowler.
Cook continues to feel for deliveries instead of letting the ball hit the bat. All the talk about technical weaknesses and footwork is pointless, he needs to learn to let the ball hit the bat rather than the other way around. I suspect that runs under the belt will help him with that, but its a real problem against the moving ball.
Trott needs to learn how to play the horizontal bat shot otherwise Mitch and co will have a real field day against him down under.
Pietersen it seems hasnt learned that his approach of coming down the track against Asif has little chance of success. Asif is a very canny operator and he just drops the ball a little bit shorter so that it has time to do something off the pitch, giving Pietersen even less time to react. AFAIC, Pietersen is playing Asif like a 90mph bowler by taking those few steps forward when he could stay back and face him like a 80 mph bowler.
Just a quick word about the crowds today, as it happened I had work today anyway but will not be attending this test despite living just a 20 minute train journey from the Oval, simply cannot afford the tickets.
Ok most cricket fans probably have a lot more disposable income than I do at present but still I would reckon the main problem with crowds in this test and others in this series is the price. You can get away with it when it’s the ashes but is appears not in series like this. England is one of the only countries in the world that pulls in good test crowds and something should be done to keep it that way. It should not cost me about 2-3 months worth of my Sky player subscription to go and watch a day of test cricket.
Ok most cricket fans probably have a lot more disposable income than I do at present but still I would reckon the main problem with crowds in this test and others in this series is the price. You can get away with it when it’s the ashes but is appears not in series like this. England is one of the only countries in the world that pulls in good test crowds and something should be done to keep it that way. It should not cost me about 2-3 months worth of my Sky player subscription to go and watch a day of test cricket.
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Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Thought Hameed has scored a hundred on Debut....in fact 2 of them....
tooextracool
International Coach
Which is cute, but runs against Bangladesh aren't worth squat.
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
About Yasir Hameed and how some saying he is being paraded too much and why he is better the Farhat...
The amount of chances Farhat got to settle himself in the test side by playing at a consistent openning position has a lot to do with why Farhat is ****. He is still in the same place where he was 5 years ago didn't improve worth a penny...
The reason Hameed is only averaging low in Test cricket or otherwise is because of his constantly being in and out of the team. When you are mentally insecure about your chances in the test team how do you even feel like playing cricket anymore. He was brought in, had a dream start to his test career and then 1 bad form patch and he is out. He made a come back to WI test tour of Pak. Scores a fifty after he finally gets a chance...then he is dropped again...you are mentally crashed after such treatment.
I don't argue that he is under rated or whatever. But i do argue that the guy had the potential to be much better then Farhat if he had been given the same amount of opportunity, if not better right now...Same goes for Malik. Malik plays test cricket at will, probably makes a phone call to his contacts and he is in the playing 11. When you have such job security you should be much much better...Hameed proved he is better by being a part timer...
Similar story is that of Alam. Dream start to the test career with a composed 168 against SL in testing conditions and then only one bad game and he is no where to be seen.....
Khurram Manzoor anyone?? Played a great knock in testing times against a fired up Aussie attack...and he is no where close to the team..yet these blunders Farhat, Umar Amin, Azhar Ali, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal make it to the test level..when hard working players like Hameed, Alam, Younis, Asim Kamal are left out with out a slap on the wrist by anyone. It is the highest level of nepotism and utter hard headedness of PCB and selectors. They take oaths and **** but in the end they end up doing the same that others do...
The amount of chances Farhat got to settle himself in the test side by playing at a consistent openning position has a lot to do with why Farhat is ****. He is still in the same place where he was 5 years ago didn't improve worth a penny...
The reason Hameed is only averaging low in Test cricket or otherwise is because of his constantly being in and out of the team. When you are mentally insecure about your chances in the test team how do you even feel like playing cricket anymore. He was brought in, had a dream start to his test career and then 1 bad form patch and he is out. He made a come back to WI test tour of Pak. Scores a fifty after he finally gets a chance...then he is dropped again...you are mentally crashed after such treatment.
I don't argue that he is under rated or whatever. But i do argue that the guy had the potential to be much better then Farhat if he had been given the same amount of opportunity, if not better right now...Same goes for Malik. Malik plays test cricket at will, probably makes a phone call to his contacts and he is in the playing 11. When you have such job security you should be much much better...Hameed proved he is better by being a part timer...
Similar story is that of Alam. Dream start to the test career with a composed 168 against SL in testing conditions and then only one bad game and he is no where to be seen.....
Khurram Manzoor anyone?? Played a great knock in testing times against a fired up Aussie attack...and he is no where close to the team..yet these blunders Farhat, Umar Amin, Azhar Ali, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal make it to the test level..when hard working players like Hameed, Alam, Younis, Asim Kamal are left out with out a slap on the wrist by anyone. It is the highest level of nepotism and utter hard headedness of PCB and selectors. They take oaths and **** but in the end they end up doing the same that others do...
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
For a debutant i think it does mean a lot. You can't just rule out the nerves and the inexperience of a debutant just because he is batting against Bangladesh.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
In my best Jacques Rudolph voice "AWTA".
tooextracool
International Coach
I agree with you on this, yes Hameed has far more potential than Farhat and Butt. This is undeniable. However, to date, Hameed hasnt really delivered in his test match career or in his FC career. I can understand saying that he has done enough to get a shot over the likes of Farhat and Butt, but I dont think he is the savior of Pakistan cricket or that he has been treated unfairly. Hes only been treated unfairly when compared with the likes of Farhat and Iqbal who received favoritism and played way more than they should have.
Alam and Kamal are quite obviously different stories and Kamal situation as most people know is one that I have constantly harped on about.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, but it doesn't really show if he's a good batsman or not - it just shows that he managed to withstand the nerves. The evidence provided by the rest of his Test career and indeed his entire First Class career suggests that he's, at best, only as good as Farhat.