Scorecard Draft

[kingkallis]

Hi, yeah, probably fairly useless, but not completely useless I think.

I guess all your teams are going to end up being fairly impressive, on aggregate expected to score between 350 and 450 runs per innings and take wickets at up to about 25 runs per wicket. They'll all be really good teams. And obviously I understand the fun is in the selection of the team, not in fine-tuning some formula to decide which is best.

But if you are trying to compare teams that are within broadly similar ranges, the ability to take 20 wickets has to be a factor. If both Team X and Team Y are going to score 350 runs per innings and concede 275 runs per innings, then the team that can bowl the opposition out twice is undoubtedly the better team.

To give an example, Cevno just listed his bowlers, who will take 20 wickets a match at about 21 runs per wicket. Somerset's bowlers will also go at about 21 runs per wicket, but his team will only take 10 wickets a match. Somerset's batting is much stronger, but it will be easier for Cevno to make up ground in the batting than it will for Somerset to make up ground in the bowling.

So it could be an indication separating relatively evenly matched teams.

That's all I wanted to say, not like it was meant to be the sole deciding factor. But it seems it has stimulated some discussion, which is cool.

You haven't posted that huge analysis of yours yet mate...

 

[G.I.Joe]

Frank Tyson -4.47 Wpm
Curtley Ambrose - 4.14 Wpm
Allan Donald - 4.59 Wpm
Bobby Peel - 5.05 Wpm
Wilfred Rhodes - 2.2 Wpm
W.G Grace - 0.42 Wpm


So 20.87 Wickets Per Match.
Beat that......

1)W.G Grace - 32
2)
3)
4)Inzamam -Ul -Haq - 49
5)
6)Wilfred Rhodes - 30
7)Farokh Engineeer - 31
8)Bobby peel - 14
9)Curtly Ambrose - 12
10)Alan Donald - 10
11)Frank Tyson - 11


Total - 189/8

 

[pskov]

1)W.G Grace - 32
2)
3)
4)Inzamam -Ul -Haq - 49
5)
6)Wilfred Rhodes - 30
7)Farokh Engineeer - 31
8)Bobby peel - 14
9)Curtly Ambrose - 12
10)Alan Donald - 10
11)Frank Tyson - 11


Total - 189/8

I haven't finished with all the players yet (currently about halfway through round 4), but WG Grace's adjusted average for the sim I will be running is 47.02 and Rhodes' is 35.20 so it's not all that bad. However no amount of adjustment can make Peel, Ambrose, Donald, Tyson anything other than a pretty dodgy looking tail.

 

[Cevno]

I haven't finished with all the players yet (currently about halfway through round 4), but WG Grace's adjusted average for the sim I will be running is 47.02 and Rhodes' is 35.20 so it's not all that bad. However no amount of adjustment can make Peel, Ambrose, Donald, Tyson anything other than a pretty dodgy looking tail.

Peel had a batting average of 15 in the 1800's which ought to be worth way more in the current time.

Btw, Grace and Rhodes both were better bowlers as well as batsmen than their International average suggest.For Rhodes because he played too long and for Grace because he had a very short international career.

 

[Cevno]

1)W.G Grace - 32
2)
3)
4)Inzamam -Ul -Haq - 49
5)
6)Wilfred Rhodes - 30
7)Farokh Engineeer - 31
8)Bobby peel - 14
9)Curtly Ambrose - 12
10)Alan Donald - 10
11)Frank Tyson - 11


Total - 189/8

I am getting the other team out for 215 odd in any case ,so one batsmen more ought to be Enough.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Mark Taylor

1st Test: Australia v West Indies at Brisbane, Nov 22-26, 1996 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Youssou N'Dour's Select Prime Minister's B Team U-18s Thursday Pub Team Reserves 2nd XI Rounders team.

1. Mark Taylor (*)
2.
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Sir Everton Weekes
5.
6. Warwick Armstrong
7.
8. Peter Pollock
9. Andy Roberts
10. Joel Garner
11. Tom Garrett

 

[Somerset]

Craig McDermott: 3rd Test: Australia v Sri Lanka at Adelaide, Jan 25-29, 1996 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

Somerset XI:
Eddie Barlow
-
Sachin Tendulkar
KS Ranjitsinhji
Javed Miandad
Mohammad Yousuf
Billy Bates
Godfrey Evans
-
Dennis Lillee
Craig McDermott

 

[kingkallis]

Youssou N'Dour's Select Prime Minister's B Team U-18s Thursday Pub Team Reserves 2nd XI Rounders team.

1. Mark Taylor (*)
2.
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Sir Everton Weekes
5.
6. Warwick Armstrong
7.
8. Peter Pollock
9. Andy Roberts
10. Joel Garner
11. Tom Garrett

Very fine pick mate...

 

[kingkallis]

Craig McDermott: 3rd Test: Australia v Sri Lanka at Adelaide, Jan 25-29, 1996 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

Somerset XI:
Eddie Barlow
-
Sachin Tendulkar
KS Ranjitsinhji
Javed Miandad
Mohammad Yousuf
Billy Bates
Godfrey Evans
-
Dennis Lillee
Craig McDermott

He was Marshall's partner, I was hoping to fetch him in this Round!

 

[kingkallis]

CricZo's next pick is Merv Hughes, the beast to open the bowling with Malcolm Marshall!

CricZo XI :

1. Virender Sehwag / o [ 79 | 7039 @ 54.14 | 21 - 22 / 39 @ 40.97 / 61 ]
2. Dennis Amiss / [ 50 | 3612 @ 46.30 | 11 - 11 / 24 ]
3. Sir Donald Bradman / [ c ] [ 52 | 6996 @ 99.94 | 29 - 13 / 2 @ 36.00 / 32 ]
4.
5. Lord Colin Cowdrey / [ 114 | 7624 @ 44.06 | 22 - 38 / 120 ]
6. Aubrey Faulkner / o [ 25 | 1754 @ 40.79 | 4 - 8 / 82 @ 26.58 | 4 - 0 / 20 ]
7. Rod Marsh [ + ] [ 96 | 3633 @ 26.51 | 3 - 16 / 355 ]
8. Malcolm Marshall o / [ 81 | 1818 @ 18.85 | 0 - 10 / 376 @ 20.94 | 22 - 4 | 25 ]
9. Merv Hughes o / [ 53 | 1032 @ 16.64 | 0 - 2 / 212 @ 28.38 | 7 - 1 | 23 ]
10. Bill O'Reilly o [ 27 | 410 @ 12.81 | 0 - 1 / 144 @ 22.59 | 11 - 3 / 7 ]
11.

Total experience of 577 tests
33918 runs @ 40.04 | 90 100s - 115 50s
855 wickets @ 27.89 | 44 5w - 8 10w
312 catches by fielders / 355 ( 343 + 12 ) dismissals by wicket keeper

 

[NUFAN]

I'm going to fill in my number 5 spot with a batsman who averaged over 56 in his 52 matches at number 5.

Graham Thorpe

1 C Hunte
2 G Smith
3 T Dexter
4 G Chappell (c)
5 G Thorpe
6 A Steel
7 A Keeper +
8 I Notsure
9 C Turner
10 F Trueman
11 M Muralitharan

 

[kingkallis]

I'm going to fill in my number 5 spot with a batsman who averaged over 56 in his 52 matches at number 5.

Graham Thorpe

1 C Hunte
2 G Smith
3 T Dexter
4 G Chappell (c)
5 G Thorpe
6 A Steel
7 A Keeper +
8 I Notsure
9 C Turner
10 F Trueman
11 M Muralitharan

I was confused between Thorpe and Hughes! Decided to go with the bowler to balance my bowling line up...

Thorpe is the player who played against all recent greats like Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, McDermott, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose, Walsh, Muralitharan, Kumble...

 

[kingkallis]

Marshall 4.64
Hughes 4.00
O'Reilly 5.33
Faulkner 3.28
Sehwag 0.49
---------------------
Overall 17.74

I more fast bowler and I am through!

 

[NUFAN]

I was confused between Thorpe and Hughes! Decided to go with the bowler to balance my bowling line up...

Thorpe is the player who played against all recent greats like Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, McDermott, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose, Walsh, Muralitharan, Kumble...

He sure did and for the most part he produced the goods. I'm pretty confident that if he was in his prime today he would be averaging near the 50 mark.

Glad to see that someone else was thinking of picking him, cause I was very close to picking my keeper this round.

 

[Somerset]

CricZo's next pick is Merv Hughes, the beast to open the bowling with Malcolm Marshall!

I was actually either going to take McDermott, Hughes or another non-Australian bowler (who I won't mention in case I get the chance to select him in the next round) so not surprised to see Hughes taken so soon after my pick.

 

[marc71178]

Chris Gayle

 

[Himannv]

Jason Gillespie

3rd Test: West Indies v Australia at Bridgetown, May 1-5, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

 

[G.I.Joe]

Round 1:

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NUFAN - Muttiah Muralitharan
weldone - Adam Gilchrist
Noble One - Glenn Mcgrath
Cevno - Curtly Ambrose
Blakus - Vivian Richards
Himmanv - Imran Khan
honestbharani - Richard Hadlee
kingkallis - Malcolm Marshall
GI Joe - Brian Lara
Shri - Kumar Sangakkara
pskov - Shane Warne
HeathDavisSpeed - Jacques Kallis
Somerset - Sachin Tendulkar
marc71178 - Wasim Akram
Marcuss - Waqar Younis
Jamee999 - Ricky Ponting
Michaelf7777777 - Andy Flower
Riggins - Michael Slater

Round 2:

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Riggins - Rahul Dravid
Michaelf7777777 - Shaun Pollock
Jamee999 - Courtney Walsh
Marcuss - Kapil Dev
marc71178 - Ian Botham
Somerset - Dennis Lillee
HeathDavisSpeed - Joel Garner
pskov - Sunil Gavaskar
Shri - Garry Sobers
GI Joe - Keith Miller
kingkallis - Donald Bradman
honestbharani - Wally Hammond
Himmanv - Jack Hobbs
Blakus - Sydney Barnes
Cevno - Wilfred Rhodes
Noble One - Clarrie Grimmett
weldone - George Headley
NUFAN - Fred Trueman

Round 3:

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pskov - Alan Davidson
Jamee999 - Len Hutton
Marcuss - Les Ames
GI Joe - Herbert Sutcliffe
kingkallis - Aubrey Faulkner
Riggins - Charles Macartney
Michaelf7777777 - Colin Blythe
Shri - Hugh Trumble
weldone - George Lohmann
Blakus - Frederick Spofforth
NUFAN - Charlie Turner
Cevno - W.G Grace
Noble One - Victor Trumper
HeathDavisSpeed - Warwick Armstrong
Himmanv - Stanley Jackson
Somerset - Kumar Ranjitsinhji
marc71178 - Archie MacLaren
honestbharani - Johnny Briggs

Round 4:

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marc71178 - Bobby Abel
honestbharani - Billy Barnes
Somerset - Billy Bates
Himmanv - Dick Barlow
HeathDavisSpeed - Tom Garrett
Noble One - Arthur Shrewsbury
Cevno - Bobby Peel
NUFAN - Allan Steel
Blakus - Billy Murdoch
weldone - George Ulyett
Shri - Syd Gregory
Michaelf7777777 - Frank Woolley
Riggins - Bill Voce
kingkallis - Bill O'Rielly
GI Joe - Ray Lindwall
Marcuss - Jim Laker
Jamee999 - Clyde Walcott
pskov - Neil Harvey

Round 5:

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Shri - Alec Bedser
Jamee999 - Peter May
honestbharani - Graeme Pollock
Blakus - Ken Barrington
Cevno - Frank Tyson
Michaelf7777777 - Arthur Morris
Riggins - Vinoo Mankad
GI Joe - Denis Compton
HeathDavisSpeed - Everton Weekes
kingkallis - Colin Cowdrey
Noble One - Brian Statham
pskov - Neil Adcock
weldone - Richie Benaud
Marcuss - Frank Warrell
Himmanv - Rohan Kanhai
Somerset - Godfrey Evans
marc71178 - Hanif Mohammad
NUFAN - Ted Dexter

Round 6:

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marc71178 - Alan Knott
NUFAN - Greg Chappell
Somerset - Javed Miandad
Himmanv - Gordon Greenidge
Marcuss - Allan Border
weldone - Geoff Boycott
pskov - Michael Holding
Noble One - Martin Crowe
kingkallis - Rodney Marsh
HeathDavisSpeed - Andy Roberts
GI Joe - Bob Willis
Riggins - Garth Mckenzie
Michaelf7777777 - Colin Croft
Cevno - Farokh Engineer
Blakus - Bob Simpson
honestbharani - Doug Walters
Jamee999 - Bishan Bedi
Shri - Derek Underwood

Round 7:

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HeathDavisSpeed - Peter Pollock
Marcuss - Graham Gooch
Cevno - Allan Donald
Jamee999 - Matthew Hayden
marc71178 - Harbhajan Singh
honestbharani - MS Dhoni
Himmanv - Dale Steyn
Noble One - Andrew Flintoff
kingkallis - Virender Sehwag
NUFAN - Greame Smith
pskov - Steve Waugh
weldone - Shane Bond
Riggins - Mahela Jayawardene
Somerset - Mohammad Yousuf
GI Joe - Jeff Thomson
Shri - Darren Gough
Blakus - Ian Bishop
Michaelf7777777 - Desmond Haynes

Round 8:

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Blakus - Zaheer Abbas
Michaelf7777777 - Clive Lloyd
Shri - Roy Fredericks
GI Joe - Bill Lawry
Somerset - Eddie Barlow
Riggins
weldone - Ian Chappell
pskov - John Edrich
NUFAN - Conrad Hunte
kingkallis - Dennis Amiss
Noble One - David Gower
Himmanv - Abdul Qadir
honestbharani - Shoaib Akhtar
marc71178 - Aravinda de Silva
Jamee999 - Anil Kumble
Cevno - Inzamam ul Haq
Marcuss - Shivnaraine Chanderpaul
HeathDavisSpeed - Mark Taylor

Riggins

Round 9

Somerset - Craig McDermott
kingkallis - Merv Hughes
NUFAN - Graham Thorpe
marc71178 - Chris Gayle
Himmanv - Jason Gillespie
Noble One
Marcuss
Cevno
weldone
Riggins
honestbharani
Shri
Blakus
Michaelf7777777
Jamee999
GI Joe
pskov
HeathDavisSpeed[/spoiler]

Round 10:

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pskov
HeathDavisSpeed
GI Joe
Jamee999
Michaelf7777777
Blakus
Shri
honestbharani
Riggins
weldone
Cevno
Marcuss
Noble One
Himmanv
marc71178
NUFAN
kingkallis
Somerset

 

[kingkallis]

He sure did and for the most part he produced the goods. I'm pretty confident that if he was in his prime today he would be averaging near the 50 mark.

Glad to see that someone else was thinking of picking him, cause I was very close to picking my keeper this round.

I had my priorities set for this round...

Bowler - McDermott, Option B
Batsman - Thorpe, Option B

Hughes was not in my plan and I was so much tempted to go with Thorpe but had to go for a bowler as there are plenty of middle order bats are available.