*Official* Pakistan in England 2010

[superkingdave]

Still not as good as Hoggard though as he could do it when the ball was swinging but also developed his game to become a dangerous bowler in conditions which didn't suit him.Until Anderson can do that i will always see Hoggard as a vastly superior bowler to Jimmy.

What on earth does that have to do with zarembas post?

 

[zaremba]

Yeah FJ we had a thread on that very comparison and I reckon you're right. Hoggy was lethal in conditions that were helpful and useful in conditions that weren't. He was also much more consistent than Jimmy. But when the force is with him, Jimmy's ability to swing the ball both ways at 5mph quicker than the Hogster is amazing.

The thing that impresses me most is that Jimmy will bowl outswingers, with inswingers as the variation, to both left- and right-handers. That's serious skill.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

What on earth does that have to do with zarembas post?

He said Anderson was one of the best he had seen,i disagreed.

What the hell has your post got to do with mine??????

 

[Neil Pickup]

He said Anderson was one of the best he had seen,i disagreed.

What the hell has your post got to do with mine??????

No, he said Anderson was one of the best he'd ever seen in swinging conditions.

You said Hoggard was better because he offered more when the ball didn't swing.

That doesn't follow.

 

[Jono]

What's Anderson's record at home compared to away? Must be a stark difference (not the swinging conditions only exist in England, but primarily it's brilliant for swing bowling).

 

[zaremba]

Apropos of nothing much, it'd be interesting to see a combined India/Pakistan team. Quite a good chance that the entire batting unit would come from India, and the entire bowling unit from Pakistan.

 

[Jono]

We still have superior spin stocks, but yes, considering Zaheer is basically a bonus when he plays, Asif, Gul and Aamer would be the bowling attack.

 

[GIMH]

What's Anderson's record at home compared to away? Must be a stark difference (not the swinging conditions only exist in England, but primarily it's brilliant for swing bowling).

Home: 128 @ 27.07
Away: 52 @ 43.84

 

[Jono]

:-o

 

[Prince EWS]

Home: 128 @ 27.07
Away: 52 @ 43.84

That's insane. Almost to the point of 'lets only pick him at home' tbh.

 

[Jono]

Yep. Anderson should be a horses for courses bowler.

 

[zaremba]

And Mr Anderson's figures at home took an early beating at the hands of Agent Smith as well IIRC. Discount that and he's got home-town great written all over him

 

[GIMH]

His record is abysmal in Australia & Sri Lanka, slightly below acceptable in West Indies, New Zealand, South Africa & decent in India

 

[Woodster]

Has anyone seen a noticeable difference in his Plan B skills when swing is not so easy to come by in recent times, or do you think he still has some way to go yet ?

 

[zaremba]

... and ***y as **** in Blighty

 

[stumpski]

Most England bowlers have struggled in overseas Tests for a few years though, haven't they? Hoggard has probably done better than most with seven-fors in NZ and South Africa and a hat-trick at Bridgetown in 2004.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Has anyone seen a noticeable difference in his Plan B skills when swing is not so easy to come by in recent times, or do you think he still has some way to go yet ?

No,still bowls pies when it not swinging if you ask me.He a liability when there is no movement.

 

[GIMH]

Most England bowlers have struggled in overseas Tests for a few years though, haven't they? Hoggard has probably done better than most with seven-fors in NZ and South Africa and a hat-trick at Bridgetown in 2004.

Took a seven in India as well, and possibly Australia?

As for Jimmeh, more economical when conditions suit than he used to be, but still not a threat

 

[Furball]

Yep. Anderson should be a horses for courses bowler.

His away stats aren't helped by 2 shocking Tests in Sri Lanka and being picked for the last Ashes series on the back of absolutely **** all FC cricket in 2006.

Needs to do better away from England, but tbh the only away series he's gone into where he's been the undisputed leader of the attack is the most recent series in South Africa. Most other away series he's come along and filled in in the odd test here or there, mostly with poor results. Even as recently as 2009, he got dropped for a Test in the West Indies.

 

[Furball]

Home: 128 @ 27.07
Away: 52 @ 43.84

Take out his tours of Australia and Sri Lanka (where he's taken 7 wickets in 5 Tests), and his away record is 45 @ 35.88. Still not outstanding, but nowhere near as bad as it was before.

Certain qualifications need to be made when it comes to Anderson's career record: since his debut, off the top of my head England have played (including the one in progress) 53 home Tests, of which Anderson has played in 31, and 44 away Tests, of which Anderson has played just 19. I reckon most young bowlers would struggle when their action is being messed around with and they're constantly in and out of the side, particularly in conditions they aren't familiar with.

Edit: If we consider the home New Zealand series in 2008 as being when Anderson became leader of the attack, only Mitchell Johnson has taken more Test wickets than Anderson in that timeframe, and of quicks with at least 50 wickets, only Asif and Steyn have taken their wickets at a better average.