Hayden vs Sehwag (+ other tasty treats)

[Sir Alex]

Never & he didn't need to.

That was the answer I was expecting. You could have saved the effort to type out the rest.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

That was the answer I was expecting. You could have saved the effort to type out the rest.

Now come on. You can accuse aussie of many things, but putting effort into his typing isn't one of them.

 

[Sir Alex]

Now come on. You can accuse aussie of many things, but putting effort into his typing isn't one of them.

 

[aussie]

Now come on. You can accuse aussie of many things, but putting effort into his typing isn't one of them.

That was the answer I was expecting. You could have saved the effort to type out the rest.

HA. When you two ladies finish with your little sorority session there, we can get back to cricketening matters...

 

[Sir Alex]

Over 7000 runs @ 55, uninflated by performances against minnows, and the 2nd fastest in history to reach so many runs(134 innings), I guess Sehwag has for all purposes overtaken Hayden and if he continues in this vein for a few more years, he will have every claim to be considered the best opener ever in the modern era.

 

[gwo]

//agree.

 

[pasag]

Fair comparison - one at the height of his career and the other recently retired.

That said, if Sehwag continues on his merry way for another few years he will undoubtedly become one the greatest Test batsmen ever. What he is doing now is unbelievable.

 

[Sanz]

Over 7000 runs @ 55, uninflated by performances against minnows, and the 2nd fastest in history to reach so many runs(134 innings), I guess Sehwag has for all purposes overtaken Hayden and if he continues in this vein for a few more years, he will have every claim to be considered the best opener ever in the modern era.

How has he overtaken Hayden ? Hayden has 30 100+ scores and 8600+ runs.

 

[GotSpin]

Sehwag > Tendulkar (SA explodes?)

 

[Prince EWS]

Ikki, stop posting stuff like that, you know it accomplishes nothing. You of all people should know how infuriating it gets when people refuse to debate you on the actual topic and just call you biased I'm sure.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Hasn't overtaken Hayden imo but is close certainly.The problem with using Sehwag's current stats is that he is at his absolute peak now.I can see his average dropping to 50 or even less.

 

[Ikki]

Ikki, stop posting stuff like that, you know it accomplishes nothing. You of all people should know how infuriating it gets when people refuse to debate you on the actual topic and just call you biased I'm sure.

Come on dude. Every time an Indian does something SA digs up a thread or tries to hail a hero. It's borderline trolling. I may be biased but I didn't make it a policy to start a thread every time Warne got a 5fer.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Over 7000 runs @ 55, uninflated by performances against minnows, and the 2nd fastest in history to reach so many runs(134 innings), I guess Sehwag has for all purposes overtaken Hayden and if he continues in this vein for a few more years, he will have every claim to be considered the best opener ever in the modern era.

Sehwag has inflated performances on flatpitches as he only scored runs against Murali post 2008 (when Murali was obviously past his best) while Hayden scored runs against Murali in Sri Lanka when Murali was at his peak in the early 00s, Sehwag is useless when the ball is moving around and his record shows that. Hayden made allot of runs on flat pitches, but also was able to adapt his batting in different circumstances and actually show the ability to score hundreds in unfavourable batting conditions.

Sehwag is the biggest flat track bully of his generation and his averaged has only catapulted in the last year or so because he hasn't played any matches outside of the subcontient. Look at how good Sehwag was in his last series outside of the subcontient in New Zealand, where he came into that series supposedly in 'great form' but yet failed in the Test series.

Even though Sehwag has scored a ton of more runs in the Sri Lanka series - Simon Katich's runs in the last Aus/Pak series count for double because they were done facing a much superior attack in difficult conditions. Sehwag would be completely exposed by Asif and Aamer if he was playing against Pakistan in England at the minute because he doesn't move his feet and the ball is hooping round. Katich's record may not be as great as the others, but his definately the best allround Opening Batsman in the world at the present time for mine with Strauss and Smith being the closest contenders.

The likelyhood is, Sehwag will probably end his career with an average of under 40 outside the subcontient - it's more indicative of an away average because the subcontient is more then less an extended home advantage for subcontient batsman to improve their overall records. The only great subcontient batsman are Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Miandad and Sangakkara (although his nowhere near as good as what his overall average suggests). All of them proved themselves as great inside and outside the subcontient.

Sehwag was never better then Hayden during the time that they both were playing the game, Sehwag isn't better then Hayden now and most likely won't be better by the time his career is over.

That is all.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Using the NZ series last year is dishonesty.The pitches were flat ones throughout the tour.His failures had nothing to do with the conditions.

 

[Burgey]

Using the NZ series last year is dishonesty.The pitches were flat ones throughout the tour.His failures had nothing to do with the conditions.

Mate, you were trending on Twitter yesterday. WAFG

 

[G.I.Joe]

 

[GotSpin]

I mean he's a good fighter and a nice guy but I don't like him.

 

[Matt79]

Come on dude. Every time an Indian does something SA digs up a thread or tries to hail a hero. It's borderline trolling. I may be biased but I didn't make it a policy to start a thread every time Warne got a 5fer.

Making a post celebrating a favourite player's accomplishment(s), on a cricket website, is hardly trolling - borderline or otherwise. I don't have a problem with threadomancy either, so longer as the new post is relevant to that threads topic.

 

[Burgey]

I mean he's a good fighter and a nice guy but I don't like him.

Haha, I met Holyfield at the 2000 Olympics.

I was down at Circular Quay at the live site and my missus was banging on about some crap I was pretending to listen to when I just took off, cos I'd seen The Real Deal.

Was hard to miss. He had a chunk out of his ear, and was wearing a bright orange suit. Terrific fella - happy to have a chat and all. Got a pic with him at homesomewhere.

The kind of garb only a former heavyweight champ or Avon Barksdale could get away with, tbh.

 

[Cevno]

Sehwag has inflated performances on flatpitches as he only scored runs against Murali post 2008 (when Murali was obviously past his best) while Hayden scored runs against Murali in Sri Lanka when Murali was at his peak in the early 00s, Sehwag is useless when the ball is moving around and his record shows that. Hayden made allot of runs on flat pitches, but also was able to adapt his batting in different circumstances and actually show the ability to score hundreds in unfavourable batting conditions.

Sehwag is the biggest flat track bully of his generation and his averaged has only catapulted in the last year or so because he hasn't played any matches outside of the subcontient. Look at how good Sehwag was in his last series outside of the subcontient in New Zealand, where he came into that series supposedly in 'great form' but yet failed in the Test series.

Even though Sehwag has scored a ton of more runs in the Sri Lanka series - Simon Katich's runs in the last Aus/Pak series count for double because they were done facing a much superior attack in difficult conditions. Sehwag would be completely exposed by Asif and Aamer if he was playing against Pakistan in England at the minute because he doesn't move his feet and the ball is hooping round. Katich's record may not be as great as the others, but his definately the best allround Opening Batsman in the world at the present time for mine with Strauss and Smith being the closest contenders.

The likelyhood is, Sehwag will probably end his career with an average of under 40 outside the subcontient - it's more indicative of an away average because the subcontient is more then less an extended home advantage for subcontient batsman to improve their overall records. The only great subcontient batsman are Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Miandad and Sangakkara (although his nowhere near as good as what his overall average suggests). All of them proved themselves as great inside and outside the subcontient.

Sehwag was never better then Hayden during the time that they both were playing the game, Sehwag isn't better then Hayden now and most likely won't be better by the time his career is over.

That is all.

That is a bit rich considering Hayden averaged above 40 only in India ,Australia ,west indies and Srilanka very marginally (40.12).

While Sehwag averages below 40 only in Newzealand ,South Africa and Marginally in England(39.50). And the sample sizes are small in all of these countries too.