Sir Alex
Banned
Still waiting for the links I requested earlier
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****OFFICIAL**** Lara vs Tendulkar Debate Thread
- Thread starter aussie
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I can't open up cricinfo archives at office and be spending time pulling u links to facts. I mentioned cricinfo, it shouldn't be too difficult to read up on playes and people and events from there... For a man who can quote about any obscure blog that is mildly praising Sachin, it is not a very difficult thing I am requesting you to do...
Slifer
International Captain
Im with u Honest. I accepted a long time ago that SRT was slightly better than Lara (IMO).I didnt fuss there's no shame in being 2nd best in a generation that also includes the likes of : ponting, kallis, dravid etc. Look at ne of Lara's knocks on youtube and soon after u have a procession of Tendulkar groupies hailing their god and how superior he was to lara , Bradman and every other cricketer on earth.
I have many Indian friends many of whom, like me, feel like there is very little to choose between the two. its those who think he's GOD gift to batting that rub me the wrong way TBH
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The problem is SA, it is not a bad thing to be a Sachin fan.. And if you do open your mind a bit, you will realize that just about most decent posters here who do think Lara is better NEVER denigrate what Sachin has done. And in these very forums, I have replied on drivel that was written by some Lara fan boys back in the day. Thankfully, those do not seem to be around anymore...I am unashamedly Tendulkar fan and proud of it. All my arguments involving Tendulkar hence shall be fiercely opinionated. But I am not pathetic enough to denigrade another's achievements to portray Tendulkar as the best.
HB, goodfor you then.
The fact is, there has been and there is very little to choose between the two and one can EASILY argue either side of the debate with any collection of stats, past players' opinions, peer ratings, personal preference, claims to being the more watchable etc etc.. In the end, it simply DOESN'T matter.. There has been very few instances in history when two EQUALLY great playes paraded around as the world's best and we have been lucky to have been born in such a period.
Just don't take every positive comment about Lara or Ponting or Chappell or anyone else as some kind of an insult at Sachin and his amazing ability with the bat... And start enjoying cricket for cricket's sake than just Sachin or any one player... It is even more enjoyable that way.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
Not sure what your point is.I just called out on Mr Incredible's blatant lie passed off as fact.That Tendu is a better traveller,whether or not against great attacks is beyond question.
And how many runs SRT scored after the same number of innings doesn't really mean a lot (I cbf looking it up but reckon Lara was ahead).They both were joint fastest to 10k runs after which SRT dropped off for a bit.
It is a reasonable argument that Tendu's longevity counts for something.Claiming Lara would have overtaken him had he still been playing is not unreasonable but we'll never know.Same as Bradman's average could have shot down to 60 or 70 had he played more than 100 tests.It's all speculation.Fact is 4000+ extra runs (which is 1/3 of what Lara's total tally is) is what Tendu will probably end up with.That,coupled with 20 odd centuries more and a better average would make him Lara's superior statistically for mine.
I don't buy into the selfish argument either.All great batsmen are inherently selfish - you have to be if you want to succeed in international cricket.It looks like all this OTT Tendu praise from some posters is getting to you (and even HB as he insuinated in another thread that Tendu was a bit of a FTB or something).
I like both Lara and Tendu and I think the diff between the two isn't much either way.You could make solid arguments for both.Tendu's current form is fast putting the statstical part of the debate beyond question,though as we know stats aren't the be all and end all,and will never be.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
lol..I said he picked and choosed the innings when he would go attacking and most of them happened to be at home and/or flat tracks.. It makes sense, coz if the pitch was difficult, you obviously looked to be more careful... but yeah, FINALLY we seem to getting into some kind of a consensus where each one of us stands and what we think of the other side's argument. Let's end this right..
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
There is a fair amount of so called drivel the other way round too where Tendulkar is claimed to be a flat track batsmen and to have failed against major bowlers with people also claiming his knocks were on flat tracks.
It sometimes is a fair part of analysis and works both ways. You cannot keep overanalysing one's career but at the same time in a comparison don't do it with the others.
I don't like to post in such threads, but in the Sachin vs Richards thread i said that Sachin's desire was incredible having earned so much and living with so much fame ,to still continue at this level and compared it with Yuvraj.
Then somebody claimed that that he had earned so much means he does not have to play for so long and is only playing for the statistics.
and that Richards would never have forcibly prolonged his career like Tendulkar and changed his game.I then gave some facts about Richard's off field behaviour at the time ,not made up stories and said i am not sure how he would have adapted to so much money and fame . nobody can tell for sure if he would have in anycase the desire to continue for so long.
Then there was a post of bringing his ferrari dispute into it and saying Sachin was somewhat selfish.
And i was accused by some ( I do not know if it included you) of denigrating Richards but the same posters avoided the denigration by the same standards of Tendulkar.
Either both goes or nothing does.
kingkallis
International Coach
I too am a Sachin fan but to be honest, he cant entertain us like Brian Charles's supreme knocks!
How many times SRT played with tail and won the game single handedly? That too against the Aussies? [ In tests... ]
Often Lara threw his wicket away due to frustration and lack of confidence in his fellow team mates...
Just imagine his record had he played with better team mates and partners.
How many times SRT played with tail and won the game single handedly? That too against the Aussies? [ In tests... ]
Often Lara threw his wicket away due to frustration and lack of confidence in his fellow team mates...
Just imagine his record had he played with better team mates and partners.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
going wildly off topic here.. But read the ODI batsman thread to see whose side I was on.. The drivel was coming from a couple of usual suspects about Sachin not being a great ODI batter coz of WC finals record or something to that effect and check up on how many of us were there to shoot it down...There is a fair amount of so called drivel the other way round too where Tendulkar is claimed to be a flat track batsmen and to have failed against major bowlers with people also claiming his knocks were on flat tracks.
It sometimes is a fair part of analysis and works both ways. You cannot keep overanalysing one's career but at the same time in a comparison don't do it with the others.
I don't like to post in such threads, but in the Sachin vs Richards thread i said that Sachin's desire was incredible having earned so much and living with so much fame ,to still continue at this level and compared it with Yuvraj.
Then somebody claimed that that he had earned so much means he does not have to play for so long and is only playing for the statistics.
I then gave some facts about Richard's off field behaviour at the time ,not made up stories and said i am not sure how he would have adapted to so much money and fame . nobody can tell for sure if he would have in anycase the desire to continue for so long.
Then there was a post of bringing his ferrari dispute into it and saying Sachin was somewhat selfish.
And i was accused by some ( I do not know if it included you) of denigrating Richards but the same posters avoided the denigration by the same standards of Tendulkar.
Either both goes or nothing does.
But there was drivel claiming Richards was not even half the batsman he was made out to be in ODIs or whatever and I am sorry but to me that is bigger drivel.. And in this thread recently, the drivel has been about Lara... Yes, I can see thee are going to be stupid stuff said from both sides in any argument but recently in CW, it has been the pro-Sachin camp that has been sprouting the more inane stuff.. Mainly a couple of posters as most others like yourself have at least shown enough restraint when responding to equally silly posts...
Athlai
Not Terrible
The goodwill doesn't last long though, as Sachin explains to Brian that his surname is a girl's name.
Sir Alex
Banned
The goodwill doesn't last long though, as Sachin explains to Brian that his surname is a girl's name.