The Best of The Rest - NZ, WI, Pak, Bang in tests

[Flem274*]

I thought Benn was the shizz Windie? But now you're swapping him for someone else.

Anyway, a full strength WI line up out of the current lot taking the field is about as likely as Mathew Sinclair scoring a century against Australia.

And retaining his place.

 

[Athlai]

Didn't think he looked good in Aussie at all contrary to the wickets personally. Watched it all and wasn't impressed.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Yeah, but they aren't full strength very often. It's not just circumstance; you have to consider the fact that Edwards and Taylor are very injury-prone and that the backup we've seen is disgracefully bad. Rampaul's more relevant to the discussion than Edwards because he's going to play a lot more, which is why I voted for Pakistan.

Believe me Prince by the time we play SL we really should have everyone fit bar Edwards, and his place is likely to be taken by young Andre Russell who was sensational for the A-team in England recently on tracks he'd never even played on before, i can almost guarantee that Rampaul's lard ass won't be seen in a WI shirt for the foreseeable future, Gibbo's a bowling man remember!!, he doesn't tolerate crap bowlers,

I also think it's too early to write off Pascal, he was criminally under used by Gayle on his debut and would have had his first wicket at test level but for a shocking decision by the umpire.

 

[Prince EWS]

Didn't think he looked good in Aussie at all contrary to the wickets personally. Watched it all and wasn't impressed.

Yeah, AWTA, and even when he takes a bag it's usually for loadzz of runs and he averages 40 odd anyway. He's going to average about 40 for his whole career IMO; I'd definitely take Kaneria ahead of him any day of the week.

 

[Spark]

Didn't think he looked good in Aussie at all contrary to the wickets personally. Watched it all and wasn't impressed.

Yeah Clarke/Haddin/North gave him a bit of a working over.

 

[Howsie]

Can you make a post about his technique and his strengths and weaknesses. His coach ups his back foot play is this correct?

- SunLive - The Bay's news first

Mentally Kane is very strong. Once he gets in he does push on. He is not intimidated by pressure and actually seems to excel in it. Once he gets a start, his range of shots is such that he turns the pressure quickly back onto the fielding side.

Technically he is one of the best straight drivers I have seen. He plays with a full face and amazing control. Playing with a full face to full bowling is the first thing any kid should learn to go higher in the game.
It gives you the greatest chance of staying in as the ball has to move much more to beat a straight bat as compared to showing your bat on an angle which means only 4-5cm shows to the bowler - doesn't take much movement for the ball to beat that.

With his straight bat and straight driving, Kane intimidates and dominates bowlers. They then tend to drop shorter to try and protect themselves from further scoring. Unfortunately for them Kane is extremely quick putting short balls away. He has been called the best back-foot player in NZ. So where does a bowler bowl to Kane. Basically your hope is that, like in club cricket in the Bay, the ball is moving heaps so all the cards are in the bowlers' favour. You can basically bowl a half volley and nick a guy out.

However, that not being the case as happens with wickets now in NZ, you are forced to try and contain Kane as best you can and hope he gets bored. He loves batting though, so boredom does not seem to strike. He may try a new shot for fun so there is a chance there.

To spin he has some of the quickest feet I have seen. We had Terry Jenner at the Howell Academy and he said the key to playing spin was quick feet. Either getting down the track or onto the stumps to hit square. Kane has this. Not many spinners can tie him down and he has a full array of shots. He will have some adjustments such as to the slower wickets of India when their tracks dry out. Playing a ball off a dry Indian wicket and the same ball in Australia can be entirely different. In Australia you can hit it straight without getting caught. In India you tend to wait for the ball and play with your wrists with the spin unless you want to give catching practice to the bowler.

Llorne Howell on Kane Williamson. He's had a lot to do with Williamson going up through the grades for Bay of Plenty, so his opinion on his play is probably much better then mine I'd agree with him about his play against quick bowlers, he scored 100 against Canterbury two seasons ago and he played Shane Bond with relative ease that day, especially considering they were 4/20 at one point.

Would recommend giving the whole thing a read, makes for a interesting read.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I saw Bishoo bowl in a T20 game yesterday... now watching someone bowl four overs in a T20 game is really a shocking way to rate their Test prospects but I didn't think much of him - bowls toppies. I like Shillingford a lot though.

He's got a load of tricks under his sleeve prince, googlies, top spinners, sliders, flippers etc!!, the top spinners seem to be working for him on those Trini pitches as he's keeping it tight and getting wickets, 5/43 in two games isn't bad at all imo.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I thought Benn was the shizz Windie? But now you're swapping him for someone else.

Anyway, a full strength WI line up out of the current lot taking the field is about as likely as Mathew Sinclair scoring a century against Australia.

And retaining his place.

I'm a person who likes to look ahead, if we have a younger kid coming through who's potentially better than Benn than of course Benn would have to make way,

And if we don't have a full strength side (bar Edwards) against SL i would be amazed, all the key guys right now are either fit or very close to being fit.

 

[Hurricane]

Great thanks..Howsie

 

[Furball]

To be fair he also performed well in Australia where he got his first 5fer so it's not just about the Caribbean pitches, i get what you mean though there are other good spinners around but people just seem to go out of there way to put big Benn down and i can't understand why.

We've got some new talented spinners coming through though so the argument about Benn might not last too long, Shillingford done well on debut and Guyana's young leggy Devendra Bishoo is really impressing people right now.

He didn't bowl well in Australia, his 5for was on the back of bowling 50 odd overs, and he conceded over 150 runs in doing so.

 

[Flem274*]

but anyway i'm a person who likes to look ahead, if we have a younger kid coming through who's potentially better than Benn than of course Benn would have to make way,

So if you were in charge the average retirement age would be 23 then? Shot bro. At least try and stick to your pick if you're going to champion him for pages and pages of derailed thread.

And if we don't have a full strength side (bar Edwards) against SL i would be amazed, all the key guys right now are either fit or very close to being fit.

Mathew Sinclair is lining up his recall too I bet. I also bet he'll get dropped after two games.

How long are all the key guys gonna stay fit I wonder.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I'm a person who likes to look ahead, if we have a younger kid coming through who's potentially better than Benn than of course Benn would have to make way,

And if we don't have a full strength side (bar Edwards) against SL i would be amazed, all the key guys right now are either fit or very close to being fit.

WW, you have been warned previously about bringing the team of other supporters into a discussion where it isn't relevant. Please refrain from doing it.

 

[Hurricane]

The Spinners Since 08

I'm talking about very recent form though!!.. you know like Benn taking 15 wickets against South Africa the other day!! , with the current form Benn has shown i don't know how anyone can claim Vettori or Kaneria are better right now.

The thing about Benn IMO is that he can take a bagful on any given day but those days are so few and far between, and when he isn't running through the otherside he is barely making an impact at all. Gayle outbowls him at times and seems to bowl to a plan better than him. Kaneria is similar but far far far more reliable on any given day.

Even if you just look at this year he is only in the middle of the pack.

I don't think you can just go by one series. I hope Benn proves you right and that he keeps up this form.

Until he backs up his results...Shakib >> Benn...Kaneria > Benn...Benn ? Vettori

 

[Hurricane]

WW, you have been warned previously about bringing the team of other supporters into a discussion where it isn't relevant. Please refrain from doing it.

Hes talking about WI being fit for the series not SL
I suspect you have misread this.

 

[WindieWeathers]

WW, you have been warned previously about bringing the team of other supporters into a discussion where it isn't relevant. Please refrain from doing it.

I'm confused here!!.. where exactly have i brought the team of other supporters into the debate? i mentioned SL because we're playing them in November!!, you can't tell me that's against the rules now surely?

 

[Flem274*]

Here we go for day three I believe...

 

[Migara]

Believe me Prince by the time we play SL we really should have everyone fit bar Edwards, and his place is likely to be taken by young Andre Russell who was sensational for the A-team in England recently on tracks he'd never even played on before, i can almost guarantee that Rampaul's lard ass won't be seen in a WI shirt for the foreseeable future, Gibbo's a bowling man remember!!, he doesn't tolerate crap bowlers,

I also think it's too early to write off Pascal, he was criminally under used by Gayle on his debut and would have had his first wicket at test level but for a shocking decision by the umpire.

That will be one heck of a series. SL will field a younger bowling attack without Murali and Vaas, but boasts of some pacey men and upcoming spinners. Personally I feel all SL spinners (Randiv, Senanayake and Mendis) will out bowl Benn and Shillingford, and in the process just win. If our pacers do the same, then WI are for a drubbing.

 

[WindieWeathers]

So if you were in charge the average retirement age would be 23 then? Shot bro. At least try and stick to your pick if you're going to champion him for pages and pages of derailed thread.

My comment about Benn was perfectly justified, he's been playing well for WI lately and will rightly keep his place in the side but if Bishoo for example keeps playing well he's gonna get looked at by Gibbo, Benn is 29 now so it makes sense to plan ahead!!, although no doubt you'll try and twist that logic .

 

[WindieWeathers]

That will be one heck of a series. SL will field a younger bowling attack without Murali and Vaas, but boasts of some pacey men and upcoming spinners. Personally I feel all SL spinners (Randiv, Senanayake and Mendis) will out bowl Benn and Shillingford, and in the process just win. If our pacers do the same, then WI are for a drubbing.

I'm sure you guys will be expecting a win but if/when our strongest team arrive in SL i expect them to put up a fight, Shilly and Benn combined very well against SA so they will cause problems, and i expect Roach, Taylor and Russell to ask some questions too, i agree it should be an exciting series.

 

[Johnners]

All right cut the crap immediately. PEWS has already warned you about it earlier in the thread, there won't be another warning. I've deleted your posts, but if it contiues the thread will be closed for a period of time, and I won't really out further action being taken against either of you.