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*Official* Pakistan in England 2010

zaremba

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Black_Warrior said:
Also another factor I am worried about is English media crying foul when Aamer stars reversing the ball and grabs 4 wickets.
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I'm not one to stick up for the English media, which has many despicable elements, but please don't play the victim card. The only time I can think of when the English media cried foul against Pakistan in relation to ball tampering was 1992, when the allegations were completely justified because they were true.
 
Jarquis

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Was discussed at the time on CW. IIRC the verdict was the only thing he did wrong was not do it infront of the umpire.
 
zaremba

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Umar_Akmal said:
YouTube - Anderson - Ball Tampering?
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No. Just no.

I was not saying "you cheat and we don't", so please let's not start that nonsense.

All I was saying was that the English media do not actually have a record of persecuting Pakistan for ball tampering. The only time there's been a real outcry was in 1992 when Pakistan did, indeed, tamper with the ball. And the evidence for that was, and is, overwhelming. Those that doubt that might want to watch this video (apologies for the unnecessary and offensive title for this video). The video clips start at about 1.50 or so.
 
grecian

grecian

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Agree with the Zee.

Oh and BTW football season will start soon, so our gutter media will hardly notice there's cricket going on, TBH.
 
pasag

pasag

RTDAS
Reckon England will score a lot of runs in this one. Predicting at least two 400+ scores in their first innings bats.
 
Jarquis

Jarquis

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They're playing at Taunting on Sept 2nd? Definitely going to find out about that.
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
zaremba said:
i'm not one to stick up for the english media, which has many despicable elements, but please don't play the victim card. The only time i can think of when the english media cried foul against pakistan in relation to ball tampering was 1992, when the allegations were completely justified because they were true.
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2006??

What I was getting at was that ball tampering might just be an issue this time around..it was an issue in 1992, 2006..not sure if it was an issue in 1996 too.
 
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Pothas

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I do worry about the batting a little bit, Think Cook will have a torrid time and Trott and Morgan are far from proven yet.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
Think Cook will be fine personally. He's done a fair bit of work on his technique recently and it definitely looks more solid than it used to be. More worried about Pietersen than anyone else tbh.

Perhaps, fortunately for England they are playing the first 2 tests at Trent Bridge and Edgbaston which I think will suit them more than it will suit Pakistan.
 
WindieWeathers

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Well, well, well what do we have here?!! :p now we'll really see what Pak's bowling unit is about, they were great against Aus but if we're being honest the Aus batsman didn't exactly make things that difficult for them, but that's in the past now and they'll be facing a confident and in form England,

Considering Pak's batting is still shambolic it's hard to look past an England win, especially as they have a solid batting order and a bowling unit consisting of a confident Finn and the magic man Graham Swann, who i believe will cause all sorts of problems in this series,

I also hope people don't make excuses if Pak are well beaten, yes they've just played two test but one could argue that that actually benefits them as they've had time to acclimatise to the conditions, also in a normal series you'd play five ODI's and then around four or five tests, they never played the ODI's against Aus so tiredness in the Tests shouldn't be an issue imo.
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Tiredness wont be an issue. England are clear favourites to win 3-0 at least with one rained out. The reason would not be English batsmen handling Pakistani seamers better than Katich, Hussey, Clarke or Ponting but English seamers Anderson, Broad and Finn bowling better than Bollinger, Johnson and Hilfenhaus.

Pakistani batting is still brittle. If Australia had scored 20 runs more in the second innings, they would have blanked Pakistan 2-0.

However, what I am worried about is Asif and Aamer's workload. They have bowled a lot in the previous series. Last time Pakistan toured England, Yousuf and Younis performed really well but Shoaib and Asif were injured and we missed them badly.

If either Aamer/Asif gets injured..its game over.
 
Faisal1985

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
WindieWeathers said:
Well, well, well what do we have here?!! :p now we'll really see what Pak's bowling unit is about, they were great against Aus but if we're being honest the Aus batsman didn't exactly make things that difficult for them, but that's in the past now and they'll be facing a confident and in form England,

Considering Pak's batting is still shambolic it's hard to look past an England win, especially as they have a solid batting order and a bowling unit consisting of a confident Finn and the magic man Graham Swann, who i believe will cause all sorts of problems in this series,

I also hope people don't make excuses if Pak are well beaten, yes they've just played two test but one could argue that that actually benefits them as they've had time to acclimatise to the conditions, also in a normal series you'd play five ODI's and then around four or five tests, they never played the ODI's against Aus so tiredness in the Tests shouldn't be an issue imo.
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Really....so you think its a par accomplishment of Pak bowlers for bundling out an Aussie batting line up with Watto, Punter, Clarke, Hussey and Katich for 88?

Dude, why are you jumping the gun on all of this? Why would anyone be making excuses? Pak bowlers will give some serious problems to the English batting line up....but at the same time i don't expect any good results from our batting.....

But one thing i can tell you....Even when we needed 1 run to win against Australia they held the mental advantage over us...England is far away in holding that kind of an advantage over Pak....this doesn't mean that Pak batting will become better but this certainly increases the chances of Pakistan to do better....

Don't be too sure about English batting....if its overcast and Amir and Asif start out 9 AM in the morning on Day 1 with the red cherry...who knows....55/10 England?
 
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Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You never know..

They were 51 all out against a WI side with Taylor, Powell, Benn and Edwards :p :helpsmili
 
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WindieWeathers

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Faisal1985 said:
Really....so you think its a par accomplishment of Pak bowlers for bundling out an Aussie batting line up with Watto, Punter, Clarke, Hussey and Katich for 88?

Dude, why are you jumping the gun on all of this? Why would anyone be making excuses? Pak bowlers will give some serious problems to the English batting line up....but at the same time i don't expect any good results from our batting.....

But one thing i can tell you....Even when we needed 1 run to win against Australia they held the mental advantage over us...England is far away in holding that kind of an advantage over Pak....this doesn't mean that Pak batting will become better but this certainly increases the chances of Pakistan to do better....

Don't be too sure about English batting....if its overcast and Amir and Asif start out 9 AM in the morning on Day 1 with the red cherry...who knows....55/10 England?
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No offence man!!, i just think the Aus batting order is in a rocky period, they were taken out for something like 200 runs by NZ and before that we took them out for 150 so the writing was on the wall a while ago, not that Pak wasn't impressive!!, they certainly were but they'll be facing a different prospect in England who have a solid top order who have been consistent of late,

I have no doubt Pak will cause problems in this one and might even win a test, but unless their batters are inspired and play above themselves it's gonna be mighty hard for Pak to live with England i believe.
 
Faisal1985

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
zaremba said:
No. Just no.

I was not saying "you cheat and we don't", so please let's not start that nonsense.

All I was saying was that the English media do not actually have a record of persecuting Pakistan for ball tampering. The only time there's been a real outcry was in 1992 when Pakistan did, indeed, tamper with the ball. And the evidence for that was, and is, overwhelming. Those that doubt that might want to watch this video (apologies for the unnecessary and offensive title for this video). The video clips start at about 1.50 or so.
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TBH, what Anderson did in that video and what Akram and Waqar were doing to the ball was pretty much the same, the only difference was that Anderson after scratching the ball like Waqar and Wasim, pealed off a little bit of leather that was popping up...

Now the part where he pealed off the leather in regulation can be done in front of the umpire...but what he did before that can't be allowed either, regardless of whether it was in front of the umpire or not...
 
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