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*Official* Australia vs Pakistan in England

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First Class Debutant
Well North (apparantly ill) and Hilfenhaus (shoulder) may be in doubt to play according to cricinfo, what does everyone think of George and Khajawa making their debuts? I think it could be a good match to give the youngsters a go as the Aussie side is getting quite old.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Well North (apparantly ill) and Hilfenhaus (shoulder) may be in doubt to play according to cricinfo, what does everyone think of George and Khajawa making their debuts? I think it could be a good match to give the youngsters a go as the Aussie side is getting quite old.
If North and Hilfy aren't fit, then yeah play George and Khawaja. I'm a bit nervous having a 6,7,8 of Khawaja, Paine, Smith, perhaps they move Usman up a place..

George should bowl well if conditions suit.
 

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George probably won't go for many but I wouldn't expect him to be especially penetrative though. Right now, he's like McGrath without movement, especially through the air. Still needs a suitable pitch to be really effective, tbh.
 

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First Class Debutant
If the conditions suit him George could make a good debut and get abit of confidence. I've never seen Usman so have no idea how he would stand up to the Pakistan quicks. Your right NUFAN but what would they do drop Hussey down the order abit to stablise the tail?
 

Spark

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If North and Hilfy aren't fit, then yeah play George and Khawaja. I'm a bit nervous having a 6,7,8 of Khawaja, Paine, Smith, perhaps they move Usman up a place..

George should bowl well if conditions suit.
It's not like North/Paine/Smith fills one with confidence.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Haha yeah true. I watched Khawaja made a brilliant century at the Gabba last season, he looked superb. He could easily bat higher than 6, but yeah if he gets a game it's likely that's where he'll bat.

If Kaneria doesn't play, I bet Smith will be happy!
 

Kylez

State Vice-Captain
George probably won't go for many but I wouldn't expect him to be especially penetrative though. Right now, he's like McGrath without movement, especially through the air. Still needs a suitable pitch to be really effective, tbh.
Hmm, George is developing his out swinger nicely from what I've seen and heard. The last few games I saw him bowl he was bowling some nice out-swingers and was consistently swinging the ball away, if there is a criticism of his swing bowling, it's that he needs to pitch the ball up more when the ball is swinging.

His bowling can lack penetration on flat pitches as we have seen a few times but his seam movement and bounce should be enough on most pitches.

Accuracy isn't an issue :p
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Would have provided more with bat and ball, tbh.
Yeah more pathetic batting and loose deliveries.. Mallik doesnt play..and all of a sudden people look to him as this savior...when has he ever produced a great performance in a test match against a strong opposition overseas?? Mallik is just as pathetic. He is useful in ODIs in the subcontinent.


Are you just going to troll in every thread you post in?
Yeah but his trolling was in response to another troll..
Buffoonery begets buffoonery.
 

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Yeah more pathetic batting and loose deliveries.. Mallik doesnt play..and all of a sudden people look to him as this savior...when has he ever produced a great performance in a test match against a strong opposition overseas?? Mallik is just as pathetic. He is useful in ODIs in the subcontinent.
I said he'd have provided more, not been the saviour of the team. When you're starting from such a low base, improvement wouldn't be difficult. :)

For example, his last Test in Hobart a few months ago, looked solid in making a committed 50. That's easily more than you'd expect from Afridi.
 

Prince EWS

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I actually thought Kaneria was pretty good in the first Test. I really like him as a bowler so I might just be biased but I don't really think he got the reward against the top order he deserved, and I get the feeling Ajmal really needs a pitch (or someone going after him) to be effective. I'd definitely be leaving the bowling lineup as if; it's gun.

As for Malik.. well, I know I keep harping on about it, but the guy who should really be replacing Afridi is Fawad Alam. He's only 25, he averages 56 with the bat in First Class cricket and was given just three Tests before being dumped. Furthermore, it's not like he was even terrible in his three Tests - he hit 168 on debut despite batting completely out of position and boasts a Test average of 41. He's the ideal candidate not only for this Pakistan side but for any team looking for a batting replacement - what more can you ask than all that? Oh, yeah, he's a useful part-time spinner too... check.

Unfortunately I don't even think he's in the squad despite the fact that he played the tour game. It's a truly strange state of affairs.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
Anyways, I expect a much better and stable performance from Pakistan in the final test match, though I think Aussues would be like "what the heck, we want to finish this off now". I think Aussies will come on top as expected.
Even if Pak brings in Malik in the middle i don`t expect anything different from them...the trend of Pak v Aus has been pretty much the same...Pak bowlers get Australia for a lower then average total but Australian bowlers bring down Pak batting to even a lower total..get the lead and there is not way Pak can chase it.....if with Mo Yo in Sydney they weren`t able to chase 170 odd runs then what do you expect...it will be the same result if not worse considering Butt makes a an ass out of the whole game with his captaincy.

Shoaib Malik should have really played in the first test given that he is a way better Batsman than Afridi overall, if not in tests. Also Instead of playing Danish Kaneria who didn't provide anything great, Malik could have been a far better option. But what the heck? We’re dealing with Pakistan Cricker here, lol.
Hate Malik with a passion..but i think they need him now....in batting...

Also Kaneria is a much better bowler then Malik ..by a mile....took some important wickets in the last test as well...considering the situation...Kaneria should play especially over Ajmal...as much as i like Ajmal...he doesnt know how to bowl in tests...
 
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I actually thought Kaneria was pretty good in the first Test. I really like him as a bowler so I might just be biased but I don't really think he got the reward against the top order he deserved, and I get the feeling Ajmal really needs a pitch (or someone going after him) to be effective. I'd definitely be leaving the bowling lineup as if; it's gun.

As for Malik.. well, I know I keep harping on about it, but the guy who should really be replacing Afridi is Fawad Alam. He's only 25, he averages 56 with the bat in First Class cricket and was given just three Tests before being dumped. Furthermore, it's not like he was even terrible in his three Tests - he hit 168 on debut despite batting completely out of position and boasts a Test average of 41. He's the ideal candidate not only for this Pakistan side but for any team looking for a batting replacement - what more can you ask than all that? Oh, yeah, he's a useful part-time spinner too... check.

Unfortunately I don't even think he's in the squad despite the fact that he played the tour game. It's a truly strange state of affairs.
Got bogged down a lot from what I've seen of him, was right on his stumps a lot of the time. Pretty technique means little if you can't pierce the field or go over it.

That said, much like Chanders early in his career, he's starting from a base of looking quite hard to get out and I'd have thought he'd be ahead of at least two of the guys they did pick in the side.
 
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Prince EWS

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Got bogged down a lot from what I've seen of him. Pretty technique means little if you can't pierce the field or go over it.
That would have been in the ODIs out here though, right? I completely agree about him in ODI cricket but it's a totally different situation in Tests with the field so open; he's fine. Surely a 25 year old who averages 56 in First Class cricket and hits 168 on debut deserves more than another two more Tests to cement a spot in arguably the worst Test batting lineup going around at the moment (bar the Bangers).
 

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That would have been in the ODIs out here though, right? I completely agree about him in ODI cricket but it's a totally different situation in Tests with the field so open; he's fine. Surely a 25 year old who averages 56 in First Class cricket and hits 168 on debut deserves more than another two more Tests to cement a spot in arguably the worst Test batting lineup going around at the moment (bar the Bangers).
Depends on the circumstances. Don't care that much about the numbers, it comes down to whether he looks more likely to score than the other guy. Like I said, I'm surprised he wasn't next in line after Yousuf and Younis were dropped but then I'm not in the set-up and he wouldn't be that much better an option to unambiguously demand selection.

May well come down to personality; I've never seen a Pakistan side with so few outwardly expressive, bull-by-the-horns types in the side and I'm curious as to what that means.
 
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Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
As for Malik.. well, I know I keep harping on about it, but the guy who should really be replacing Afridi is Fawad Alam. He's only 25, he averages 56 with the bat in First Class cricket and was given just three Tests before being dumped. Furthermore, it's not like he was even terrible in his three Tests - he hit 168 on debut despite batting completely out of position and boasts a Test average of 41. He's the ideal candidate not only for this Pakistan side but for any team looking for a batting replacement - what more can you ask than all that? Oh, yeah, he's a useful part-time spinner too... check..
Top thinking there....Fawad does make an ideal candidate...if they replace the 2 noobs in the middle with Malik and Fawad....perhaps that could give them the much needed support..but as it stands right now...if the persist with the noobs...there is no point even watching the game....except the bowling...of Pak..
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
That would have been in the ODIs out here though, right? I completely agree about him in ODI cricket but it's a totally different situation in Tests with the field so open; he's fine. Surely a 25 year old who averages 56 in First Class cricket and hits 168 on debut deserves more than another two more Tests to cement a spot in arguably the worst Test batting lineup going around at the moment (bar the Bangers).
Is the Bangladesh batting lineup worse than Pakistan's currently? OT a bit I guess.

Out of the new guys, Azhar looked quite good in the First Test. I would like to see this Fawad Alam have a go on your recommendation, I didn't watch his 168 but it sounded impressive at the time.

I think Hameed would do a better job over Farhat opening the innings also. Farhat caught the ball well in the first Test was pretty surprising!
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
I actually thought Kaneria was pretty good in the first Test. I really like him as a bowler so I might just be biased but I don't really think he got the reward against the top order he deserved, and I get the feeling Ajmal really needs a pitch (or someone going after him) to be effective. I'd definitely be leaving the bowling lineup as if; it's gun.

As for Malik.. well, I know I keep harping on about it, but the guy who should really be replacing Afridi is Fawad Alam. He's only 25, he averages 56 with the bat in First Class cricket and was given just three Tests before being dumped. Furthermore, it's not like he was even terrible in his three Tests - he hit 168 on debut despite batting completely out of position and boasts a Test average of 41. He's the ideal candidate not only for this Pakistan side but for any team looking for a batting replacement - what more can you ask than all that? Oh, yeah, he's a useful part-time spinner too... check.

Unfortunately I don't even think he's in the squad despite the fact that he played the tour game. It's a truly strange state of affairs.

Agree on both points. Although I am no Kaneria fan, he was pretty good in the first test and deserves to play in the second test. No changes in the bowling attack..

Fawad Alam deserves a chance but he lacks the political backing and contacts of a Mallik and is not even in the squad. Sad case.
 

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