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Help me pick an EPL side

Which EPL team should I support?


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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Re pt 1: Since the start of the Prem in 92 Liverpool has spent £418,555,000. Man U has spent £419,350,000 on players. In that time period Liverpool has a net loss of £10,575,526 per season on player transfers and Man U has £6,784,737.
To be honest those figures are slightly distorted by the Ronaldo sale (and subsequent complete failure with regards to replacing him - hence severely weakening the United side) - If Liverpool were to sell one of Torres or Gerrard without replacing him, they'd have a similar net loss figure.
 

cpr

International Coach
Which years?


He spent 230m across 57 players. That's about 4m per player. Which is more or less right as most of the players he bought (over 40) cost about 0-6 million. That's the thing, when you need to replace a large amount of players, you will have to divide the money. The kind of money the grand majority of those players were purchased on attributed to what you would call punts. It's much easier when you have a settled squad a la United and can spend 15 million on one single player, whereas in our case we didn't have a settled squad and we took punts that came off, and some that didn't.
Firstly, 57 players??? Jesus theres the problem. Spend £200m on a good XI, OK will be some ins and outs, not 5 teams worth!

Build a team first, then a squad.

has been an ongoing conveyor belt of quality talent even before Ferguson took charge. It already was an impressive squad that won the title a year prior.


Dont get that about Ferguson..... Unless he became our manager in 1968, we hadn't won the title the year before.....
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
United that same year spent 61 million pounds but recovered 35 to make a net spend of about 25. Now, this is bigger than Liverpool's net spend in several ways
Dammit, I didn't want to get involved in this again but that is a lie Ikki. Liverpool's net spend, as you admitted, was £39m. United's as you admit here, was £25m. £25m is not bigger than £39m. It just isn't.

Dont get that about Ferguson..... Unless he became our manager in 1968, we hadn't won the title the year before.....
To be fair to Ikki, I don't think the two sentences were linked there - he was making two different points, one about United's traditional conveyor belt of talent going back many years, and one about the United squad at the time which had just won the title.

Though it's not as though Liverpool haven't traditionally had good players coming through either...
 

Uppercut

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Dammit, I didn't want to get involved in this again but that is a lie Ikki. Liverpool's net spend, as you admitted, was £39m. United's as you admit here, was £25m. £25m is not bigger than £39m. It just isn't.
If the Fuhrer says 2+2=5...
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So, to answer your question SS, don't support Liverpool because large portions of them are deluded and blinkered.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
So, in summary: Ikki doesn't much rate Hodgson, is quite keen on Benitez, is dodgy at maths and T*ttenham are still the embodiment of everything that's evil in the world.

Last point probably not made explicitly, but there was a definite undercurrent. :whistling
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Dont get that about Ferguson..... Unless he became our manager in 1968, we hadn't won the title the year before.....
I was talking about the fact that before Ferguson came, the likes of Atkinson at United were spending some heavy dosh on players. See Robson British transfer record. I am clearly not talking about 1968. From Ferguson onwards it doesn't even need arguing.

Dammit, I didn't want to get involved in this again but that is a lie Ikki. Liverpool's net spend, as you admitted, was £39m. United's as you admit here, was £25m. £25m is not bigger than £39m. It just isn't.
What?

How can you, an intelligent member, possibly make that conclusion after reading the rest of my post? I am not arguing 25>39. I am clearly referring to the fact that United already had a quality squad - one that won the title - and added another 25m whereas Liverpool were spending 39 on rebuilding almost an entire XI. Many of your purchases in that window were benchwarmers FFS. You guys won the title again and spent another 33m net the next year.

People ignore the above when they say Benitez wasted money and then compare it to United's spending and see it isn't much different, or less and even argue United have better players. :laugh: Well, no ****, there's a reason why. That's why 25m for a team that doesn't need it is, "in several ways" a big purchase compared to a team that needs every quid of that 39.

It's kind of like this guy who arrives at Pizza Hut at 3:00pm, has 2 large pizzas to himself; then at 6:00pm this other guy comes in with his wife and 3 kids. From 6:00pm onwards the first guy has another pizza and a chocolate sundae and the family order 2 pizzas and 2 sundaes. Then you say...ah hah! The family ordered more food! Silly analogy, but you get the idea.


To be fair to Ikki, I don't think the two sentences were linked there - he was making two different points, one about United's traditional conveyor belt of talent going back many years, and one about the United squad at the time which had just won the title.

Though it's not as though Liverpool haven't traditionally had good players coming through either...
Yes, but through the Souness and Evans era those resources were wasted. Souness, especially, spent the most and bought the worst and got the worst results. By the time Benitez came Liverpool no longer had the same financial muscle and the quality players of yesteryear had gone or retired.

Ferguson however has had 2 decades of continuity. He spent large, had enough time to bring in youth, won titles, incrementally improved his squad spending large again, and therefore he has much less to fix.
 
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