Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
...been worse than Germany in four of six tournaments since 1998...
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*Official* Knockout Stages
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
This part is complete rubbish IMO. A few pundits have come out with similar guff in the past few days, and it can only be based on the fact that the Bundesliga is relatively low profile in the UK.
England are a team choc full of average players, with a sprinkling of top talent which has made a career out of underperforming internationally. Germany on the other hand have a side who have reached the semis of the last World Cup and the final of the last European Championships, which is a far more proven recent tournament pedigree. They've also got 4 of the side which won the U21 European Championship - so this side know how to win things.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
As much as I would like an England-Argentina match, I just don't see England winning against Germany today. They are a team full of hyped stars and lack team ethic which is essential in football.
Can't wait for the football to start.
Xuhaib
International Coach
Now go and get ****ed.
Matteh
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
English press needs to grow the **** up.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Indeed in every area, but it's got nowt to do with the team, tbh.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Is it though? Never has the term "lowest Common denominator", meant more then for the readers of the Scum and the Star.
If your talking about the WWII thing, I don't note it much. Personally the German rivalry is all about the two pen shoot-out defeats, for most football fans that is. Three Lions is sung 500 times more then that silly "two world wars and one world cup" thing, which I haven't heard all tournament TBH.
Same with Argentina not being about the Falklands, more Rattin, and the two Diegoes.
I'm sure other countries have unpleasant jingoistic elements to their support too.
There are ***** in our country, but then that's the Human Race...............
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Whilst I'm sure that's true, the only time the two sides met in those tournaments we actually won, despite being hamstrung by having a manager that makes the current Argentine incumbent seem like a cross between Herbert Chapman & Alf Ramsey.
Anyway, notwithstanding that, football is decided on the pitch not by the statute of precedent. I don't expect to win (have tipped Jerry on pens, ftr), but that's because of the underperformance of our overpaid, overrated, etc players rather than the ghosts of the world cups past.
Matteh
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Given the amount of flak i've had over the years, will have to hugely disagree on that. Have seen the "two world wars" thing quoted a hell of a lot on Facebook since it was obvious the game was going to be played the other day as well.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Make your mind up.
If England's players are overrated, how come a correctly rated team would still be better than Germany man for man?Looking at it
Neuer >> James
Lahm >>> Johnson (basically the same going forward, one of them not a positional liability at the back)
Friedrich = Carragher (neither World Cup winning calibre)
Mertesacker < Terry
Jansen/Badstuber << Cole (either a left winger or a central defender...ugh)
Schweinsteiger < Lampard
Khedira < Barry (not much in these, given them on basis of international experience)
Özil < Gerrard (experience again)
Müller > Milner (neither particularly proven, Müller has some good CL games under his belt though)
Klose < Rooney (even a half-fit Rooney is better than Klose)
Podolski = Defoe (Morton's fork)
So pretty close. Six English better to four Germans I suppose.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Really hope Upson plays. Ozil against Terry and Carra has the look of a free kick/yellow/pen/red to me. Upson hardly Usain Bolt, but def quicker. Left-footedness a bonus too.Carragher
Sir Alex
Banned
Where are we meeting?
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Limelight-happy Uruguayan ref today to boot, helping even more.
Sir Alex
Banned
Wrong thread?I'm leaving for the boozer on a positive note then...
'Mon England. Do us proud.
Laters.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Unchanged side for England. No Carragher... thank **** for that.
I will say however that Upson did give away far too many cheap free kicks against Slovenia, it may have just been the referee but then it sounds like we've got a picky wanker for this game anyway.
I will say however that Upson did give away far too many cheap free kicks against Slovenia, it may have just been the referee but then it sounds like we've got a picky wanker for this game anyway.