English Ringers, mate!

[BoyBrumby]

The only case i'm not sure about is Dirk Nannes but my best guess is that having grown up in Aus but retained a dutch passport he was allowed to play for both of the teams in a relatively short period of time as was he was effectively qualified for both teams

That's pretty much nail on the head. I don't think Nannes ever lived in The Netherlands, but held a Dutch passport thanks to his folks so was always qualified for both teams under the ICC's eligibility rules (Australia by birth, Netherlands by nationality). As the Dutch are an associate Dirk could turn out for them without compromising his Australian eligibility.

It might seem unfair on The Netherlands, but if the rule didn't exist the chances are Nannes would've rebuffed their approach in the first place to hang on for the chance of the Australian call-up.

 

[social]

I think any number is going to be arbitrary, but for me at least there would be a tipping point at which I begin to feel uncomfortable at least. Possibly when foreign-raised players (I do think there is a distinction between those players who are overseas-born, but moved to the UK as children with their families and those who moved here as adults to pursue their careers, myself) became the majority.

Wouldn't stop me supporting England tho; have a tribal loyalty I couldn't overcome.

When Kepler Wessels was playing for Oz, I didnt really care whether he did well or not as he was a Saffie who was only playing for us because it was his only way into test cricket (that being said, he was one of my favourite players - I just didnt have any emotional ties to him because he wasnt "Australian")

However, I still supported the team and that wouldnt have changed even if it was made up of another 5 foreigners

The current situation should be a concern for:

a. some people in SA cricket as they've spent a lot of money and time developing these guys;

b. the ICC, as smaller nations will never improve dramatically whilst their better player(s) head off to greener pastures; and

c. the British people, as you'd have to question the intelligence of anyone that willingly moved to a ****hole like England so it's doubtful that their off-spring will make any worthwhile contribution to society in the future

 

[andyc]

social, while you might not be happy with the English team's selection policies, there's no need to all-out insult the nation itself. Keep it civil.

 

[social]

social, while you might not be happy with the English team's selection policies, there's no need to all-out insult the nation itself. Keep it civil.

Firstly, I'm not unhappy with their selection policies - it's in the rules and many other countries, including Australia, have selected players on this basis.

Secondly, it's England we're talking about

 

[superkingdave]

Is Malcolm Conn a knob-jockey of the highest order or is it just this article?

FOR the second time inside nine months Australia has been beaten by the Other South Africa: aka England. Last year, Australia lost the Ashes in the face of a dominant South African batting display and it has happened again.
This time the South African batsmen took England to the World Twenty20 title in the Caribbean yesterday morning, England's first major limited overs success in any tournament since the World Cup legitimised short-form cricket in 1975.

 

[GGG]

^ I'd say you're a hater.

I very rarely go out of my way to defend the English team, but I'm behind them on this issue.

A hater? Yes I hate the current laws, nothing to do with "hating" on England, I also hate it how the All Blacks pick fijian born and raised players.

zaremba case by case in those situations, talking cut and dry like Pieterson and Strauss.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Is Malcolm Conn a knob-jockey of the highest order or is it just this article?

Surely his name is spelt wrong,instead of double N at the end it should be CK?

 

[Johnners]

Is Malcolm Conn a knob-jockey of the highest order or is it just this article?

Nah he's just a rubbish reporter, nothing surprising at all about that article. The idea that we lost to an unjust team will appeal to a decent portion of the general population.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Ha, jeez. Is that what passes for journalism nowadays? To precis: England won; not every player native born; captain had mare.

Not a mention of the bowlers, one notes. Wonder why?

 

[Jarquis]

Disagree that Clarke was a better batsman than Collingwood as well. Clarke sure as hell did more to ruin Australia's chances than Collingwood did ours.

 

[andyc]

FMD that is an absolutely terrible article. Just appalling.

 

[Neil Pickup]

FMD that is an absolutely terrible article. Just appalling.

Every time I read something like that article, it makes the win all the sweeter.

Actually, Malcolm, you might actually be the only person out there who thinks the England side would have been stronger with Clarke in place of Collingwood...

 

[Goughy]

Is Malcolm Conn a knob-jockey of the highest order or is it just this article?

haha, what a dick

Every time I read something like that article, it makes the win all the sweeter.

Completely agree. Winning the T20 was not that big a deal to me but hearing the whining and bitching makes it 10 times sweeter.

a. some people in SA cricket as they've spent a lot of money and time developing these guys;

Yeah. mainly their parents. I dont think its any secret that the wealthy school system in SA produces better batsmen than the English system but its the parents that have to pay for it. In the situations of the players involved in the T20 WC winning team, British parents paid for their British kids to attend South African schools and then they represented England. As many of us have said, these players were born British. They didnt change nationality to play for England.

 

[social]

haha, what a dick



Completely agree. Winning the T20 was not that big a deal to me but hearing the whining and bitching makes it 10 times sweeter.



Yeah. mainly their parents. I dont think its any secret that the wealthy school system in SA produces better batsmen than the English system but its the parents that have to pay for it. In the situations of the players involved in the T20 WC winning team, British parents paid for their British kids to attend South African schools and then they represented England. As many of us have said, these players were born British. They didnt change nationality to play for England.

Oh please

Given 4 years and the requisite amount of ability, I could qualify for to play for England because my grand-mother was born in the UK

That does not make me "British", it simply means that I qualify for a British passport and the same can be said for Darren Pattinson, KP, Trott, Kieswetter, Jones etc

They were born, bred, have their roots in and learnt the game outside the country (just as Wessels, Patel, etc etc etc did for others)

It's not illegal and I have no real objection to it but let's not try to paint these guys as something other than what they are - players produced by another cricketing system who have decided to throw their lot in with another country

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, let's ignore their English/British parentage

Pietersen's mother is from Liverpool
Lumb's father played for Yorkshire
Trott's father is English
Kieswetter's mother is, I think, Scottish

Interesting that you mention Pattinson and then go on to say that they were born outside the country, he was of course eligible from birth due to being born here.

 

[Jarquis]

Also interesting that Kieswetter's schooling was here in the UK and that he decided relatively early on he wanted to represent us and not SA.

 

[zaremba]

Yeah there's a variety of different situations here. Conn, for instance, describes Strauss and Prior as South African which is really stretching things.

Agree that Conn's article, and that sort of whinging generally, adds a nice gloss to the win. It's mostly absent on CW though tbf.

Anyhow I'm glad that quality Saffers want to come to England, while the people we export to Oz these days seem to consist of the likes of Peter "spanky" Roebuck.

 

[social]

Yeah, let's ignore their English/British parentage

Pietersen's mother is from Liverpool
Lumb's father played for Yorkshire
Trott's father is English
Kieswetter's mother is, I think, Scottish

Interesting that you mention Pattinson and then go on to say that they were born outside the country, he was of course eligible from birth due to being born here.

So Pattinson is the only "real" Englishman amongst them?

Funny how he was the one that was ostracised

Bottom line is that none of these guys is "English" but the law says that they qualify so end of really

 

[social]

Yeah there's a variety of different situations here. Conn, for instance, describes Strauss and Prior as South African which is really stretching things.

Agree that Conn's article, and that sort of whinging generally, adds a nice gloss to the win. It's mostly absent on CW though tbf.

Anyhow I'm glad that quality Saffers want to come to England, while the people we export to Oz these days seem to consist of the likes of Peter "spanky" Roebuck.

Dont take Conn seriously

His rep in Oz is rubbish and he generally only writes stuff to get a rise out of people

 

[BoyBrumby]

Oh please

Given 4 years and the requisite amount of ability, I could qualify for to play for England because my grand-mother was born in the UK

That does not make me "British", it simply means that I qualify for a British passport and the same can be said for Darren Pattinson, KP, Trott, Kieswetter, Jones etc

Actually you could only qualify for British citizenship on residence. For the overseas born to be eligible for a British passport one or both of the parents must be British other than by descent. Your mum or dad could qualify but you couldn't.

You'd be eligible for the rugby team of whichever of the home nations your gran was born in tho. As a semi-interesting aside, when John Leslie moved to Glasgow from Otago he played for the Scottish national team based on his Granddad being born there, but was also registered as one of Glasgow's three overseas players because he didn't qualify for a UK passport.