Joel Garner vs. Dennis Lillee (Tests only)

[zaremba]

Are you a Waqar fan boy?

No way Waqar is better than Mcgrath, Donald, Ambrose and Pollock .

If you look at bowlers' peak years, a lot of people would say that Waqar was the best of all time

 

[Thirdman1]

If you look at bowlers' peak years, a lot of people would say that Waqar was the best of all time

Despite the fact that he did not bowl to IND, SA, OZ in his peak years.

Richard Hadlee and Malcolm Marshall are the only 2 bowlers who can be said to be the greatest bowlers of all time.

Heck even Dale Steyn has outdone Waqar despite bowling on far more flatter wickets and far superior batsman.

 

[Teja.]

Despite the fact that he did not bowl to IND, SA, OZ in his peak years.

Richard Hadlee and Malcolm Marshall are the only 2 bowlers who can be said to be the greatest bowlers of all time.

Heck even Dale Steyn has outdone Waqar despite bowling on far more flatter wickets and far superior batsman.

The finest team during Waqar's peak was the WI, You can check your Pie Charts about how well he has done.

 

[Teja.]

Despite the fact that he did not bowl to IND, SA, OZ in his peak years.

Richard Hadlee and Malcolm Marshall are the only 2 bowlers who can be said to be the greatest bowlers of all time.

Heck even Dale Steyn has outdone Waqar despite bowling on far more flatter wickets and far superior batsman.

I will agree that both Marshall and Hadlee were superior to Waqar.

 

[The Sean]

Richard Hadlee and Malcolm Marshall are the only 2 bowlers who can be said to be the greatest bowlers of all time.

Both men deserve to be well in the discussion, though to say they're the only two is a rather narrow view IMO.

 

[Thirdman1]

The finest team during Waqar's peak was the WI, You can check your Pie Charts about how well he has done.

WI were stronger due to their bowling. Australia had the best batsman in that period . India and SA too had good batsman who could bat well at home in those years. WI had no great batsman except Lara.

 

[Teja.]

Both men deserve to be well in the discussion, though to say they're the only two is a rather narrow view IMO.

This. Sydney Barnes for one, wouldn't be too happy.

 

[Thirdman1]

Both men deserve to be well in the discussion, though to say they're the only two is a rather narrow view IMO.

You can also add Mcgrath to the list.

 

[Teja.]

WI were stronger due to their bowling. Australia had the best batsman in that period . India and SA too had good batsman who could bat well at home in those years. WI had no great batsman except Lara.

The first time he met, Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Hooper, Logie, Dujon and Lara

The second time he met Haynes, Simmons, Richardson, Lara, Hooper.

So kind sir, Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson and Hooper were pathetic, weren't they?

Anyway, I am not getting into a debate with you.

 

[Thirdman1]

The first time he met, Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Hooper, Logie, Dujon and Lara

The second time he met Haynes, Simmons, Richardson, Lara, Hooper.

So kind sir, Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson and Hooper were pathetic, weren't they?

Anyway, I am not getting into a debate with you.

Thanks for giving me a laugh

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See which side had the best batsman.

 

[Days of Grace]

The first time he met, Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Hooper, Logie, Dujon and Lara

The second time he met Haynes, Simmons, Richardson, Lara, Hooper.

So kind sir, Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson and Hooper were pathetic, weren't they?

Anyway, I am not getting into a debate with you.

And yet, you're turning it into a debate by responding the way you do.

 

[Teja.]

And yet, you're turning it into a debate by responding the way you do.

EDITED, I should not have replied. I apologize.

 

[Athlai]

Thanks for giving me a laugh

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See which side had the best batsman.

New Zealand?

 

[zaremba]

Despite the fact that he did not bowl to IND, SA, OZ in his peak years.

You're wrong about India, and you're wrong about Australia - he bowled to both in his peak years.

And as has been pointed out he also bowled against the West Indies when they were the best team in the world, and when (yes it's true) they had a very strong batting line-up. Much stronger, as it happens, than South Africa at that time.

Beyond that, I am genuinely not entering into a debate with you about this. What I wrote was a statement of fact: that many people regard Waqar at his peak as being the best bowler of all time. Including people on CW whose opinions are worthy of respect.

 

[Thirdman1]

You're wrong about India, and you're wrong about Australia - he bowled to both in his peak years.

And as has been pointed out he also bowled against the West Indies when they were the best team in the world, and when (yes it's true) they had a very strong batting line-up. Much stronger, as it happens, than South Africa at that time.

Beyond that, I am genuinely not entering into a debate with you about this. What I wrote was a statement of fact: that many people regard Waqar at his peak as being the best bowler of all time. Including people on CW] whose opinions are worthy of respect.

Many people here rate Greg Chapell and Hayden too highly despite the fact that both were home town heroes .

 

[zaremba]

Many people here rate Greg Chapell and Hayden too highly despite the fact that both were home town heroes .

Relevance: nil

Enjoyability of reading posts designed purely to bait others: nil

Trolling threads regarding Greg Chappell which you started and which have been closed by the moderators: one

bye bye Mr Troll

 

[Furball]

Many people here rate Greg Chapell and Hayden too highly despite the fact that both were home town heroes .

This post has absolutely no relevance to the discussion at hand and is designed to get a rise out of others. Such posts are best avoided; stick to the discussion at hand and don't bait other members please.

 

[Anil]

lillee one of the greatest test bowlers ever...garner was a superb bowler and arguably the greatest one day bowler outside of akram but i have to take lillee in tests...

 

[Cevno]

Akram's nowhere near Ambrose as a Test bowler.

Why?

You could argue Ambrose was better ,but no where near is a big exaggeration.

 

[archie mac]

Despite the fact that he did not bowl to IND, SA, OZ in his peak years.

Richard Hadlee and Malcolm Marshall are the only 2 bowlers who can be said to be the greatest bowlers of all time.

Heck even Dale Steyn has outdone Waqar despite bowling on far more flatter wickets and far superior batsman.

Many people here rate Greg Chapell and Hayden too highly despite the fact that both were home town heroes .

Two of the silliest posts I have read on CW for a long time, I do like the way you seem to have such confidence in them, it makes me rise my eyebrows just a little higher then this smiley