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Group D - West Indies, England, Ireland

GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Prince EWS said:
They would've needed to score a lot more than 60 in their 6 overs had England kept it tight, too. It's assumed in the D/L system that they'd have been able to take more risks and score at a much quicker rate during those 2.2 overs had they thought they only had 6 overs to play rather than 20. Those overs before the rain break were absolutely huge in the context of what was to come.
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This is one of the flaws with DL in such a short game as well. Windies batted the way they did before the break knowing full well the rain was coming.
 
Neil Pickup

Neil Pickup

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The fundamental issue with the DL impact here is the 14 balls that were bowled before the rain interruption - their proportional impact is massively, massively upscaled from the relevance they would have had in the real game. England and the WI both knew this. Had WI been two down regardless of their score when the rain came, then they would have been chasing 72.

I think the biggest issue is the fact that the tables are designed to take into account the significance of wickets in hand at the start of a 50-over innings, and cannot by this implementation adapt to the short format where an early loss of wickets does not really matter.
 
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Streetwise

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DL is not the problem, shortened matches cannot ever give a fair result regardless of the complexity of the formular. If one team bats 20 overs and the other only 6 then one team is going to feel ripped off.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Neil Pickup said:
The fundamental issue with the DL impact here is the 14 balls that were bowled before the rain interruption - their proportional impact is massively, massively upscaled from the relevance they would have had in the real game. England and the WI both knew this. Had WI been two down regardless of their score when the rain came, then they would have been chasing 72.

I think the biggest issue is the fact that the tables are designed to take into account the significance of wickets in hand at the start of a 50-over innings, and cannot by this implementation adapt to the short format where an early loss of wickets does not really matter.
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Does anyone with some familiarity with DL calculations know how the target score would have been impacted had England bowled well/West Indies played a bit more safely not knowing that the rain was coming?

Does seem a bit ridiculous as well that the Windies could have thrown the kitchen sink at the total, been 9 down and still won as long as they scored 60 runs.

Like I said last night though, it still baffles me that in a ground where there's lights, there was any need to shorten the match in the first place.

edit: bolded point doesn't seem right either.
 
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Cruxdude

Cruxdude

International Debutant
In a massively rain affected T20 match, as Alex said a one over eliminator (or maybe extend it to 3 or so) would be the best option. But still if the team that was doing well before the rain fails we will have complaints.
 
Uppercut

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Or the rain could stick around and England could default through to the Super Eights by virtue of having been stuffed less ravagely by the West Indies.
 
King Pietersen

King Pietersen

International Captain
Bloody rain. Glorious afternoon out here in Sunny Suffolk, yet Guyana is pissing down with rain, it's just typical. Cricket just seems to attract rain, very frustrating. Was looking forward to seeing 2 England T20's, and it's looking like we're going to get 2 heavily reduced games.
 
Sir Alex

Sir Alex

Banned
Prince EWS said:
They would've needed to score a lot more than 60 in their 6 overs had England kept it tight, too. It's assumed in the D/L system that they'd have been able to take more risks and score at a much quicker rate during those 2.2 overs had they thought they only had 6 overs to play rather than 20. Those overs before the rain break were absolutely huge in the context of what was to come.
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I thought only wickets lost prior to the rain break matter while arriving at a revised total under DL and not runs scored already by the chasing team. :unsure:
 
King Pietersen

King Pietersen

International Captain
Brilliant. We've lost the toss and are batting first. We're so getting screwed by D/L again. Just need to go out and blast it, try and get as many as possible and make sure that even with D/L Ireland will have a massive chase on their hands.
 
Sir Alex

Sir Alex

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Athlai said:
Interesting to see England playing an IPL team - 7 native players and 4 internationals.
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:laugh:

Would be cruel to see them go after putting up perhaps the best all round batting display of the tournament so far, in their last match. I hope they don't do.
 
King Pietersen

King Pietersen

International Captain
In a perky mood as always Scaly.

Pretty dire innings from Kieswetter. Just couldn't find his timing and couldn't get going. Really going to need to start accelerating soon.
 
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