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*Official* English Domestic Season Thread 2010
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
In place of who exactly?
Stapel
International Regular
Before I go on:
@ marc71178: Where did you get RtD's county figures of 41 with the bat and 36 with the ball? I can't fin it on cricino (shows tests, T20s, ODIs, 1st class and list A, not county as itself). Anyway, I think that any player that averages higher with the bat than with the ball on a decent level, should be considered good........... Disagree??
I was gonna compare county avergaes, but can't find the, Instead I took first class. Would that be ok? Not sure here..... But I think it would say something....
Anyway, Rashid and RtD both average 33-odd with the ball. RtD averages 50 with the bat, Rashid 36.... Williamson has a lower batting average and a higher bowling average.... And I can't even think why you put forward the name of James taylor....
Is it just me, or did you simply make a poor remark there? Or am I missing something here?
@ marc71178: Where did you get RtD's county figures of 41 with the bat and 36 with the ball? I can't fin it on cricino (shows tests, T20s, ODIs, 1st class and list A, not county as itself). Anyway, I think that any player that averages higher with the bat than with the ball on a decent level, should be considered good........... Disagree??
You surely do! Of those only the name of Adil Rashid rings a bell. And I certainly do not rate him over RtD.....The other two names have never ever even reached my ears. That might have something to do with the limited information I receive on non test cricketers. Good there is cricinfo, so I can check their stats. Here we go:
I was gonna compare county avergaes, but can't find the, Instead I took first class. Would that be ok? Not sure here..... But I think it would say something....
Anyway, Rashid and RtD both average 33-odd with the ball. RtD averages 50 with the bat, Rashid 36.... Williamson has a lower batting average and a higher bowling average.... And I can't even think why you put forward the name of James taylor....
Is it just me, or did you simply make a poor remark there? Or am I missing something here?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Cricket archive gives record for each team - I have realised though that that includes records against the UCCEs and inflates him a little - his county record is actually 38 with the bat and 36. I agree that it is a good record, but it is far from an outstanding one, and for me definitely not one that screams "Test player"
That covers to me the 2nd half of your post - his stats are very inflated by his performances in the various ICC competitions against the likes of Bermuda etc. - over the larger sample against county sides, he's not at that level I'm afraid.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
you can look up his record for each team here
http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/44/44713/statistics_lists.html
For Essex (2nd division cricket) he averages 40.73 with the bat and 35.79 with the ball.
for comparison James Taylor (purely a batsman) averages 48.57 for Leicestershire (2nd Div Cricket)
Adil Rashid's figures in mostly div 1 cricket are 36.31 with the bat and 32.11 with the ball
http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/44/44713/statistics_lists.html
For Essex (2nd division cricket) he averages 40.73 with the bat and 35.79 with the ball.
for comparison James Taylor (purely a batsman) averages 48.57 for Leicestershire (2nd Div Cricket)
Adil Rashid's figures in mostly div 1 cricket are 36.31 with the bat and 32.11 with the ball
King Pietersen
International Captain
Have to say though, his batting record for the Netherlands is pretty exceptional, even if the standard is pretty poor. 1285 runs at 142.77 with 7 centuries and 1 half century. Ridiculous average and an even more impressive 50/100 conversion rate. That's a seriously good effort.
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superkingdave
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Granted Luke Wright has been on tour with the test side, but RTD is probably not as pretty.
flibbertyjibber
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look at their ages though.They already perform at a bloody high standard and are kids who will only get better and R2D2 has peaked and has only ever played in division 2 in England anyway.Yes i know Taylor has too but not many teenagers get 1000 runs in a county season,the last before Taylor was a certain guy called Tendulkar.
Another thing is we know the Dutch are bottlers in sport so he would probably choke anyway.
Neil Pickup
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Have you ever seen his name spelled out?
King Pietersen
International Captain
Surprised that Finn's effort has barely got a mention. Took 14 wickets including 9-37 in the 2nd innings against Worcester and should have had all 10, but Strauss dropped Jaques off Finn early, who happened to be the only bloke Finn didn't pick up. Awesome performance. Here are the highlights of his 9fer: Worcs v Midd day 2.flv - File Shared from Box.net
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Can't do much more than that, tbf.
My spelling is a bugbear issue,keyboard and hard names make me weak at the knees(dodgey keyboard).
But yes he qualified for holland as a south african.
But he has played in england for 4 years now,surely he would be qualified to be english now,and he lives in england not holland.
But yes he qualified for holland as a south african.
But he has played in england for 4 years now,surely he would be qualified to be english now,and he lives in england not holland.
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stumpski
International Captain
I think a lot of people would have thought "impressive, but after all, it was only Worcestershire" ... until Worcs won the match, that is.
The_roc
U19 Captain
And you're still failing to come up with any facts to support your rose tinted view that Onions has consistently out performed Broad and Anderson.
I gave you an example of bowling averages in my last post. Onions last 11 wickets have cost 47 a piece. How about another bowling average; During the course of Onions test career (Lords last year to Capetown) both Broad and Anderson have a lower bowling average than Onions
I rest my case
flibbertyjibber
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Sorry.I forgot South Africans are the best at everything.Especially arrogance.flibberty he is south african get it
social
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Great performance but the pitch was a minefield so it'll be interesting to see how he goes as the season progresses
Woodster
International Captain
It was a great start for Finn, he seems to have plenty of weapons in his armoury, bounce, pace, reverse swing, just hope he develops the consistency of the man he hopes to emulate, Glenn McGrath.
Ten Doeschate was another that produced, in this case, a match-winning performance, an Essex victory that I didn't anticipate at the start of day 4.
Was also pleased for the start Leicester gave their new skipper Matthew Hoggard, will be interesting to see how their youngsters continue to develop this season.
Ten Doeschate was another that produced, in this case, a match-winning performance, an Essex victory that I didn't anticipate at the start of day 4.
Was also pleased for the start Leicester gave their new skipper Matthew Hoggard, will be interesting to see how their youngsters continue to develop this season.
Jungle Jumbo
International Vice-Captain
Squad: Glen Chapple (capt), James Anderson, Mark Chilton, Steven Croft, Kyle Hogg, Paul Horton, Simon Kerrigan, Sajid Mahmood, Stephen Moore, Ashwell Prince, Daren Powell, Tom Smith, Luke Sutton (wkt).
We seem to have gone for the Middlesex method of playing no batsmen. Croft looks like he'll be at five. The there's Sutton, Smith and Chapple, which isn't too convincing, as good lower-order players as they are.
We seem to have gone for the Middlesex method of playing no batsmen. Croft looks like he'll be at five. The there's Sutton, Smith and Chapple, which isn't too convincing, as good lower-order players as they are.