Dream ODI XI: Select the TWO opening batsmen

[vic_orthdox]

There's no way that I'd take two wicket keepers in an all time ODI team. Can't hide batsmen as fielders, hard enough with a fast bowler or two.

 

[bagapath]

Yeah, that's why I started the auction draft with keepers (and will do so again when I finally get around to running the ODI auction draft)

thats why i have also started this team selection with the wk in the very first poll

sachin and gilly are so far ahead that the result is pretty obvious already

 

[Migara]

Jayasuriya falls into the same category as Michael Clarke in terms of being called an allrounder and I wouldn't call Clarke an allrounder. His batting never really impressed me either.

Clarke even in his wettest dreams would not capture 350 ODI wickets

 

[vcs]

Clarke even in his wettest dreams would not capture 350 ODI wickets

TBF, he strikes at a similar average and lower strike rate in ODIs. Depends on how much he is required by his team to bowl.

 

[Julian87]

Waugh and Amandeep Sidhu

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Clarke even in his wettest dreams would not capture 350 ODI wickets

He would if he didn't have a nagging back problem and played as many ODI's as what Jayasuriya has.

 

[Migara]

He would if he didn't have a nagging back problem and played as many ODI's as what Jayasuriya has.

If's and buts were pots and pans . . . Jaya is supremely fit cricketer, who plays in tougher conditions than Clarke (in SL with humidity). Being not injured is part and parcel of his ability to excel in all the depatments.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

If's and buts were pots and pans . . . Jaya is supremely fit cricketer, who plays in tougher conditions than Clarke (in SL with humidity). Being not injured is part and parcel of his ability to excel in all the depatments.

Too bad that longetivity doesn't necessarily measure greatness.

 

[The Sean]

Too bad that longetivity doesn't necessarily measure greatness.

You're right that being around for a long time doesn't on its own prove too much (though it does mean you're good enough to keep getting selected for your national side for, which in itself is worthy of praise). But do you honestly not think that the volume of Sanath's achievements over such a period of time entitles him to greatness? To perform the way he did for 100 ODIs would have been impressive, but to maintain it over 400+ is definite ATG material IMO.

 

[Spark]

Clarke even in his wettest dreams would not capture 350 ODI wickets

TBH the amount he bowls now I don't think he really cares about taking wickets all too much.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

You're right that being around for a long time doesn't on its own prove too much (though it does mean you're good enough to keep getting selected for your national side for, which in itself is worthy of praise). But do you honestly not think that the volume of Sanath's achievements over such a period of time entitles him to greatness? To perform the way he did for 100 ODIs would have been impressive, but to maintain it over 400+ is definite ATG material IMO.

What his acchieved hasn't been as near as impressive as others who have played similar amount of games as he has. What he acchieved was standard for a good player who was a regular in the team for a very long time, but not alltime great.

 

[Migara]

Too bad that longetivity doesn't necessarily measure greatness.

Most people will not agree with you. To average 50 over 10 tests is easy, but doing it over 100 tests takes some doing.

 

[Migara]

What his acchieved hasn't been as near as impressive as others who have played similar amount of games as he has. What he acchieved was standard for a good player who was a regular in the team for a very long time, but not alltime great.

Now who are the other players who lasted 350 games other than SRT?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Most people will not agree with you. To average 50 over 10 tests is easy, but doing it over 100 tests takes some doing.

But is to average 46 in 120 Tests more impressive then averaging 57 in 70 Tests?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Now who are the other players who lasted 350 games other than SRT?

Out of everyone who has scored 10,000+ runs in ODI cricket, Jayasuriya averages 32 compared to the rest who average 39+. That is massive difference.

 

[Spark]

Out of everyone who has scored 10,000+ runs in ODI cricket, Jayasuriya averages 32 compared to the rest who average 39+. That is massive difference.

Yes, but he has scored 10 000+ runs in ODI cricket...

 

[Migara]

Out of everyone who has scored 10,000+ runs in ODI cricket, Jayasuriya averages 32 compared to the rest who average 39+. That is massive difference.

AND he has taken 320+ wickets to go with that 13000 runs of his. No other player has come closer to it.

Only all rounders who have played that much are Steve Waugh, 325 ODIs, 7569 @ 32, and 195 wickets @ 34.7, and Kallis , 298 ODIs, 10613 runs @ 45.74 and 251 wickets @ 32, are well and truely 100 ODIs short of Jayasuriya. No all rounder has even come close to playing as much as him and achieving what he has achieved.

 

[Migara]

But is to average 46 in 120 Tests more impressive then averaging 57 in 70 Tests?

That is a tough question, but I personally would select second. 57 over 35 tests and 46 over 100, I would take the latter.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Yes, but he has scored 10 000+ runs in ODI cricket...

Yeah and 32 is the lowest average out of the top 35 runscorers in ODI cricket of alltime.

AND he has taken 320+ wickets to go with that 13000 runs of his. No other player has come closer to it.

Only all rounders who have played that much are Steve Waugh, 325 ODIs, 7569 @ 32, and 195 wickets @ 34.7, and Kallis , 298 ODIs, 10613 runs @ 45.74 and 251 wickets @ 32, are well and truely 100 ODIs short of Jayasuriya. No all rounder has even come close to playing as much as him and achieving what he has achieved.

As I said earlier, longetivity doesn't equal greatness. Jayawardene is nearing the top ten runscorers in Tests but his probably not even in the top 30 batsman of alltime.

 

[Migara]

Yeah and 32 is the lowest average out of the top 35 runscorers in ODI cricket of alltime.
As I said earlier, longetivity doesn't equal greatness. Jayawardene is nearing the top ten runscorers in Tests but his probably not even in the top 30 batsman of alltime.

You are conveniently forgetting the 320 wickets that he took with it. As an all rounder his record is unmatched.