Will West indies and Pakistan ever recover?

[WindieWeathers]

I don't judge things on the basis of one innings. If he is good enough, let's see him back it up. Just because Barath scored a century on debut doesn't mean he is the next Dessie Haynes, instead will only know in the next 12-24 months.

As for Aamer, well there is some debate as to whether he is 17, and in fact not 19, the PCB just hasn't released their bone density tests to determine his true age. He did bowl I will give you that, but there were periods where he did not look like getting a wicket, and his bowling around the wicket wide of off stump in Hobart was nothing short of disgraceful. If the umpire had any balls, he would wided each and every one of those deliveries that Ponting did not score for negative bowling.

Yes of course it remains to be seen whether the likes of Barath, Deonarine and Roach continue to progress, but i have a good feeling they will, they won't be playing Australia in Australia every test that's for sure, as for Aamer, to be honest even if he's 19 he still showed his class imo, i wish we had him in our bowling attack.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Sure.. We've also got a few Shaun Pollocks knocking around in the system at the moment..

I'm sure many WEST INDIES FANS would agree with me, i'd advise you to go watch the kid play first before passing judgement on my comment!!

 

[NasserFan207]

A lot better return than that if he's going to be called a success, that's for sure.

You can't judge whether someone's been a success in a series simply by looking at their average. Thats just ********. Anyone who watched him bowl was impressed.

 

[marc71178]

Thing is someone can bowl as impressively as ever, but if they don't get the wickets they're not a success at the end of the day.

The 3 examples are not what I would call a pressing reason to push loads of inexperienced teenagers into International cricket, as some people seem to want to.

Oh, and for the record I did actually watch large parts of that series as I was in Australia at the time and although he bowled well at times, I wasn't overly impressed by anything I saw (and suspect that if it hadn't been a 17 year old bowling he wouldn't have had the same glowing reports)

 

[WindieWeathers]

You can't judge whether someone's been a success in a series simply by looking at their average. Thats just ********. Anyone who watched him bowl was impressed.

Exactly!!


Btw i'd love to know who these "people" are who want to push "loads" of inexperienced teenagers into international cricket!! .

 

[NasserFan207]

Thing is someone can bowl as impressively as ever, but if they don't get the wickets they're not a success at the end of the day.

The 3 examples are not what I would call a pressing reason to push loads of inexperienced teenagers into International cricket, as some people seem to want to.

Oh, and for the record I did actually watch large parts of that series as I was in Australia at the time and although he bowled well at times, I wasn't overly impressed by anything I saw (and suspect that if it hadn't been a 17 year old bowling he wouldn't have had the same glowing reports)

I'd already pick Aamer ahead of any of England's fast bowlers, apart from possibly Anderson.

 

[NUFAN]

Just on the topic of Deonarine (Craig and Windies were chatting about him) I think he is Test Class.

I like the way he bats and I feel as though he has a decent chance of pushing his average up to the high 30s or so.

BTW he's 26, so not that young by West Indies standards.

 

[Xuhaib]

why so much speculation for Aamir's age is it because of the speed he bowls?

If Hazelwood can hit hit 90+ at 18 then why Aamir can't hit the same speeds at 17? say whatever **** about PCB but one thing they have done well in the last few years is make the system of selection at age group levels quite transparent last year aroud 20 guys were weeded out before u-19 WC trials because there were doubs at their recorded ages.

 

[shivfan]

"Excited" means you've got big hopes does it not? but i guess as it's now popular to be pessimistic about West Indian cricket you've reverted to type Mike, one has to consider that the top teams you mentioned won't have the legends they rely on today in the next four years, that's why i believe we'll be amoungst the top sides again, we've got some brilliant players in the side right now and when you add in the youth it's bound to pay dividends.

I'm 'excited' at the prospect of possibly winning more Test matches than we're losing, which is possible, if the young talent lives up to its potential....

But I'm not expecting the WI to soar to the top of the standings any time soon.

 

[Richard]

why so much speculation for Aamir's age is it because of the speed he bowls?

If Hazelwood can hit hit 90+ at 18 then why Aamir can't hit the same speeds at 17? say whatever **** about PCB but one thing they have done well in the last few years is make the system of selection at age group levels quite transparent last year aroud 20 guys were weeded out before u-19 WC trials because there were doubs at their recorded ages.

Speculation is purely based on the fact that precious few 17-year-olds, of whatever extraction, are anywhere near as good as he appears to be at 17. He's still, clearly, not Test-class but the fact that he even vaguely looks like he might be before all that long suggests the chances of him being only 17 are miniscule. How many 17-year-old seam bowlers have ever been that good in history? The answer may be 0.

I thought there were doubts over the official age of anyone from Pakistan until recently? When was birth-registration introduced?

 

[Furball]

By that logic though, Pele wasn't 17 in the 1958 World Cup.

 

[Richard]

I don't remotely know enough about the matter to comment, but surely unless someone has unearthed a certain birthdate which is different from the one that placed him at 17 in the 1958 World Cup, no-one can say he "wasn't", merely that he "may well not have been".

 

[Furball]

My point was that casting doubts on someone's age purely because of his talent level isn't terribly convincing.

 

[Richard]

Hmm, I'd say it is TBH. As I say, it's exceptionally unusual to be that good that age. If not unprecedented. Being a footballer and being a seam bowler aren't two and the same, oh no, not by a long chalque.

 

[morgieb]

Said in a media interview that he was definitely 17.

 

[Richard]

I'm sorry, but if my parents had told me when I was 5 that I was 3, I'd have believed them. If someone is 2-3 years older than they're listed and have always believed that they are so, there's no way they're going to know that they're older.

 

[Craig]

Said in a media interview that he was definitely 17.

Geoff Lawson also said that Aamer also said that a couple of years ago that Aamer also said he was 17. So Richard is not alone in this. The PCB took bone density tests, but I'm not sure if the results were made official.

 

[Richard]

And even if they were, I've yet to hear of a bone-density test that actually gives a certain value for how old someone is.

 

[Athlai]

And even if they were, I've yet to hear of a bone-density test that actually gives a certain value for how old someone is.

 

[Richard]

You have, then?