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Murali to retire from Test Cricket

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Migara

Migara

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In one ODI in SAF Murali piched one in line with the side crease to Gary Kirsten, which bowled him round the legs . That was also a very loop ball. Murali on his debut series bowled Tom Moody with a one that pitched about a yard out side off, and Moody shouldered arms. Unfortunately these deliveries has been seen by very few, and have not been overhyped. These were ALL turning off the PITCH, nothing off the ROUGH, making it more skillful than what Warne bowled.
 
GotSpin

GotSpin

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Migara said:
In one ODI in SAF Murali piched one in line with the side crease to Gary Kirsten, which bowled him round the legs . That was also a very loop ball. Murali on his debut series bowled Tom Moody with a one that pitched about a yard out side off, and Moody shouldered arms. Unfortunately these deliveries has been seen by very few, and have not been overhyped. These were ALL turning off the PITCH, nothing off the ROUGH, making it more skillful than what Warne bowled.
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Yes but Warne had a legal bowling action :ph34r:
 
Spark

Spark

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Migara said:
In one ODI in SAF Murali piched one in line with the side crease to Gary Kirsten, which bowled him round the legs . That was also a very loop ball. Murali on his debut series bowled Tom Moody with a one that pitched about a yard out side off, and Moody shouldered arms. Unfortunately these deliveries has been seen by very few, and have not been overhyped. These were ALL turning off the PITCH, nothing off the ROUGH, making it more skillful than what Warne bowled.
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Pretty sure I could fine some rather astonishing day 2 turners...
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Prince EWS said:
This isn't acceptable at all. If you want to debate or even attack his opinion that is fine, but we could do with the character/intelligence judgements in future.
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There's no opinions about chucking. It's proven by science. If some one still tries to disprove what is proven by scientific evidence, 'idiot' would be the nicest word to use. Sorry, I am not remotely sorry about using that. Crap about chucking should be dealt as crap, not otherwise. I had been nice to almost all people here, even in heated debates, but a vomitus of subjective crap when there's clear evidence will not get any respect from me.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Migara said:
There's no opinions about chucking. It's proven by science. If some one still tries to disprove what is proven by scientific evidence, 'idiot' would be the nicest word to use. Sorry, I am not remotely sorry about using that. Crap about chucking should be dealt as crap, not otherwise. I had been nice to almost all people here, even in heated debates, but a vomitus of subjective crap when there's clear evidence will not get any respect from me.
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You're not in a position to decide which opinions are valid enough to demand respect and which aren't. I don't share his opinion but he has the right to express it without being personally attacked, so my advice to you is to just ignore such posts and have a chuckle to yourself about how ignorant you think they are. If you carry on in such a way every time you see such a post you'll be having a holiday.

Anyway, enough from me - this isn't supposed to be a moderation discussion thread so if you have further issues with this, send us an email at moderators at cricketweb dot net.
 
Migara

Migara

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Prince EWS said:
You're not in a position to decide which opinions are valid enough to demand respect and which aren't. I don't share his opinion but he has the right to express it without being personally attacked, so my advice to you is to just ignore such posts and have a chuckle to yourself about how ignorant you think they are. If you carry on in such a way every time you see such a post you'll be having a holiday.
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If you think that is the right way, to punish the person who is responding, not the serial provokers, go ahead and ban me. Most of the members know that I raise my voice when there's unjust, (that is absolute unjust, like trying to fool with already known facts), and I will happily take that ban for the sake of raising my voice against unjust. So dear mod, I would stop by now, but this is a semicolon, not a fullstop.
 
Richard

Richard

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silentstriker said:
One thing that was awesome about Warne was his mental intimidation. The threat of spin, as GuyFromLancs said, was enough. When he was playing, he had seven different deliveries that went straight, and it completely got into the minds of the batsmen. After he retired, he was like, "Yea, I had about eight names for the one that went straight." :laugh:
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As Jack Iverson pointed-out: "The ball can do three things: break to the right, break to the left, or go straight on. It can't disappear or explode." Yet there are different things a ball can do when it goes straight on - and likewise it can break to the left or right with different degrees of sideways turn, and different variations of other variables.

The slider and the flipper were both straight-on balls that Warne bowled very well, but no way could you describe them as behaving identically. The flipper, well, flipped; the slider, well, slid. Then there was the top-spinner, which, not surprisingly, jumped up.
 
Richard

Richard

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Migara said:
Opinions of out and out idiots don't matter.
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Prince EWS said:
This isn't acceptable at all. If you want to debate or even attack his opinion that is fine, but we could do with the character/intelligence judgements in future.
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Migara said:
There's no opinions about chucking. It's proven by science. If some one still tries to disprove what is proven by scientific evidence, 'idiot' would be the nicest word to use. Sorry, I am not remotely sorry about using that. Crap about chucking should be dealt as crap, not otherwise. I had been nice to almost all people here, even in heated debates, but a vomitus of subjective crap when there's clear evidence will not get any respect from me.
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Prince EWS said:
You're not in a position to decide which opinions are valid enough to demand respect and which aren't. I don't share his opinion but he has the right to express it without being personally attacked, so my advice to you is to just ignore such posts and have a chuckle to yourself about how ignorant you think they are. If you carry on in such a way every time you see such a post you'll be having a holiday.

Anyway, enough from me - this isn't supposed to be a moderation discussion thread so if you have further issues with this, send us an email at moderators at cricketweb dot net.
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Migara said:
If you think that is the right way, to punish the person who is responding, not the serial provokers, go ahead and ban me. Most of the members know that I raise my voice when there's unjust, (that is absolute unjust, like trying to fool with already known facts), and I will happily take that ban for the sake of raising my voice against unjust. So dear mod, I would stop by now, but this is a semicolon, not a fullstop.
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It'd be disappointing to lose the input of a top-quality poster for a week just for the sake of some numpty who doesn't understand how the Laws of Cricket and\or physics works. Generally, posts about Muralitharan chucking are best greeted with a "oh dear, not this ill-informed nonsense again" or similar, then move on. People who think Murali chucks are, as I say, virtually all ill-informed and are extremely unlikely to be re-educated, so there's no point trying to do that. And there's no worry that they'll mis-educate people who already know the truths of the matter, so there's no need to point-out that it's idiocy or similar.

So really, no point at all in responding seriously to a "Murali chucks" post. It won't help anyone.
 
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Richard

Richard

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Been noted before that one silly comment deserves another. Not sure whether Hing was joking or not, the PH34R suggests it's a possibility and no more than that. Either way, Hing's and Migara's posts were of a similar nature - tongue-in-cheek regardless of whether they had some seriousness to them.

Totally different to posts along the lines of "all Murali's wickets are worthless because he's a chucker" which are, plainly and simply, incendary rubbish that absolutely everyone is miles better-off without.
 
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Migara said:
loaded with performance enhancing drugs, yeah:ph34r:
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Richard said:
Been noted before that one silly comment deserves another. Not sure whether Hing was joking or not, the PH34R suggests it's a possibility and no more than that. Either way, Hing's and Migara's posts were of a similar nature - tongue-in-cheek regardless of whether they had some seriousness to them.

Totally different to posts along the lines of "all Murali's wickets are worthless because he's a chucker" which are, plainly and simply, incendary rubbish that absolutely everyone is miles better-off without.
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No, anybody who makes stupid comments like that about Warne and those who defend them are just wankers.
 
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