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Sorry, should have specified 'Test-playing' teams.
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Murali to retire from Test Cricket
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Hah, you'd almost back that group to compete.
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Would roll out the triple rolleyes here but it's so 2008.
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Just like NZ's last Test win.
EDIT: Really don't have anything against NZ cricket, sucks they don't play more Tests.
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Pigeon
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Kumble can bowl the occassional seam up as well.
bagapath
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andy flower?
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Murali indeed bowled the mirror image of Warne ball of the century when he bowled the off stump of Sadagoppan Ramesh, the Indian opener, from round the wicket pitching outside leg stump.
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GFY. Slowly please, with liniment on the broom handle.
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Yummy.GFY. Slowly please, with liniment on the broom handle.
Migara
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Yes he certainly did. For me it's even better than that ball to Gatting (Even Warne bowled better ones than that). Because Ramesh is a seriously good player of quality spin than Gatting.
Murali announces retirement? Haven't seen this anywhere....
Murali announces retirement plans
That's really weird, it went out on the 2nd of March & nobody has picked up on it. Surely the highest test wicket taker of all time announcing that he has 2 tests left should be reportable news.
Murali announces retirement plans
That's really weird, it went out on the 2nd of March & nobody has picked up on it. Surely the highest test wicket taker of all time announcing that he has 2 tests left should be reportable news.
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Thanks for digging that up Richard. Will get on it now.
Richard
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Really? Gatting was certainly, by England standards, a fine player of spin indeed (obviously neither he nor anyone would have had a remote hope of keeping that Warne ball out, realistically speaking). Never knew anything much about how good or otherwise Ramesh was, however - so he must've been damn good, which rather surprises me.
Richard
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Gatting by that time was failing badly against all Test bowlers, fast or slow - he returned to Test cricket after his Rebel-tour-induced ban in 1992/93 and then again in 1994/95, with both recalls having some amount of evidence to suggest they were ill-advised, the latter especially.
But between, IIRR, about 1982 or 1983 and 1987, Gatting was a highly effective Test batsman and, as I say, was acknowledged as especially competent against spin. His play on the India tour of 1984/85 tends to be held in particularly high regard - of course, India's spin stocks at that time were possibly their lowest since they became a regular Test-playing team, so it'd have been more interesting if he'd faced the likes of Kumble and Joshi or Bedi\Chandra\Prasanna. But certainly, he knew what he was doing against spin at that point.
Also, as regards the 1992/93 tour, it'd be fair to say that Kumble and Murali were at that point ultimate "mystery" bowlers - hardly anyone had a clue what they were doing, Gatting or anyone else. Kumble was often said to bamboozle batsmen by not turning it sideways very often at all, and I remember very clearly an Australian team-mate (may have been Dean Jones) telling a story about Allan Border playing and missing 5 times at Murali in the 1992/93 Australian tour then coming in for the lunch interval, being asked what he was bowling and replying "leg-breaks". I think 1992/93 was Murali's debut season, and it was certainly Kumble's (he'd played a single one-off Test previously, in England in 1990).
But between, IIRR, about 1982 or 1983 and 1987, Gatting was a highly effective Test batsman and, as I say, was acknowledged as especially competent against spin. His play on the India tour of 1984/85 tends to be held in particularly high regard - of course, India's spin stocks at that time were possibly their lowest since they became a regular Test-playing team, so it'd have been more interesting if he'd faced the likes of Kumble and Joshi or Bedi\Chandra\Prasanna. But certainly, he knew what he was doing against spin at that point.
Also, as regards the 1992/93 tour, it'd be fair to say that Kumble and Murali were at that point ultimate "mystery" bowlers - hardly anyone had a clue what they were doing, Gatting or anyone else. Kumble was often said to bamboozle batsmen by not turning it sideways very often at all, and I remember very clearly an Australian team-mate (may have been Dean Jones) telling a story about Allan Border playing and missing 5 times at Murali in the 1992/93 Australian tour then coming in for the lunch interval, being asked what he was bowling and replying "leg-breaks". I think 1992/93 was Murali's debut season, and it was certainly Kumble's (he'd played a single one-off Test previously, in England in 1990).
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Migara
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I understand what you are coming at Richard. Gatting may have been superb player of spin 83 - 87. But he was dross in early 1990s against spin. And knocking over such an out of form batsman has been hyped so much. Warne sending the ball through Basit Ali's legs was the ultimate for me from Warne.
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