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*Official* England in Bangladesh

Aritro

International Regular
Aftab at any position other than number 6 or 7 is a bit of a liability. In about 7/10 innings he is likely to contribute to a collapse. I'm pretty frustrated to see him back in the side now that we've finally escaped our tendancy to collapse and the contrast between him and the genuinely substantial batsmen we have now (Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiq, Mahmudullah) just reminds me of the bad old days (or even worse old days if you prefer).

We all know about his mental failings, but the wonderful shots he plays seem to deflect attention from the genuine flaws he has as a batsman. Firstly, he has extremely shoddy footwork when it's on or outside off stump. Much like his other lunatic mate Ashraful, a life-time playing cricket with wonderful hand-eye co-ordination seems to have bred some rather poor habits when it comes to footwork, and he's usually nowhere near it when it's delivered outside off-stump. That perfectly timed drive he hit between the cover fieldsmen may have been easy on the eye but watch any replay and you'll see the way his feet were completely rooted to the crease. Against a swinging ball, or in more trying conditions, that's the exact sort of shot that's likely to get him out.

Secondly, he's also a rather poor player off his pads. He has a tendancy to play those shots with the bat right out in front of him, and with his head no where near it so he's rather feeling for the ball instead of watching it come onto the bat. I would say something like 20% of his dismissals have been bowleds or LBWs off deliveries that have seamed in from off stump. Every time he attempts to play off his pads I wince a little and it's always a relief when he's not out.

And finally, he can't nudge the ball around for ones and twos to save himself. Today's innings was a case in point, in that he and Imrul consistently failed to turn over the strike and then went for the big shots to try and get out of trouble. He got away with it today, but this is the exact reason why in the overwhelming majority of Bangladeshi innings, Aftab is likely to do something moronic and hand his wicket to the opposition.

Other than that he is of course a truly superb timer of the ball, but at the same time he's an absolute mental midget and I'd really prefer it if he was used as a PP overs pinch hitter in the lower-order rather than as a number three, which is a position from which he's only likely to contribute to our regression to the days when we collapsed all the time.

It's no accident that he's never hit a century at any level of the game, including our utterly dire first class and List A competitions. That's not the sign of a frustrating batsman, that's the sign of a slightly crap one.
 
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The_roc

U19 Captain
Took the England attack to pieces just the other week tbf. It's not like they haven't got a good look at him.

Davies should probably be playing, but how has Kieswetter become the scapegoat for Davies' exclusion when Alastair Cook has a spot in the ODI side?
It's all about taking your chance when it comes along, so Keiswetter will probably be in the squad for a while now.

I don't see Prior as a one day keeper (Bresnan batted ahead of him yesterday) so if Kieswetter is going to play as a specialist batsman I would have Davies as keeper. Kieswetter and Davies opening in the Twenty 20 world cup. Sounds a lot better than Cook and Trott.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Same here, wouldn't have minded in the slightest as long as it was only the one.

Have to feel a bit for Plunkett, two overs to Collingwood's 10 and Pietersen's eight - wasn't injured, was he?
Not that I'm aware of.

Given the way the pitches have played I think Plunkers was probably included to give him some overs ahead of his (likely) test recall; if the series was at 1-1 I bet Tredwell would've got the nod. However in the heat of the battle my guess is Captain Cook was more concerned with the nitty gritty of actually winning the match, hence him turning to his part-time spin (think Colly bowled cutters mostly) options.

Current state of our seam attack a little worrying, tbh. If Broad and Onions are both broken we could be looking at Plunkett, Bresnan and Shahzad (assuming we go with two spinners), which is the most pop-gun attack I can recall us putting out. & that's no small achievement either.
 

The_roc

U19 Captain
Bull****. Mustard did fine for what his role was - get the innings off to a quick start (this on mostly difficult pitches against proper opposition) and he was good enough to keep wicket.
There must be 2 Phil Mustards then. The one I'm thinking of doesn't average over 30 in any form of cricket, and averages 23 in one day internationals. Hardly sets the world on fire?

And an average (not spectacular) keeper.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Think if someone manages to convince Scaly a non-Durham player is a better bet for England than a son of his county they should have a crack at sorting out the middle east next.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
There must be 2 Phil Mustards then. The one I'm thinking of doesn't average over 30 in any form of cricket, and averages 23 in one day internationals. Hardly sets the world on fire?

And an average (not spectacular) keeper.
23 at a very high strike on tough pitches against proper opposition. Not great but not bad either. Give him some more typical ODI pitches and opposition and he'll average nearer 30 which is fine for his role.

And what does Mustard's early career have anything to do with things? Have a look at Mustard since he switched to opening in limited overs cricket over recent seasons.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
To be fair, Mustard did deserve a chance when he got it (and unlike Davies, at least he got one), but he didn't really make the most of it, and is now back down the pecking order.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
23 at a very high strike on tough pitches against proper opposition. Not great but not bad either. Give him some more typical ODI pitches and opposition and he'll average nearer 30 which is fine for his role.

And what does Mustard's early career have anything to do with things? Have a look at Mustard since he switched to opening in limited overs cricket over recent seasons.
How many of the pitches were that tough? genuine question. You would think someone who had just made a 74 ball 83 would be able to fail more than once before being dropped.
 

The_roc

U19 Captain
23 at a very high strike on tough pitches against proper opposition. Not great but not bad either. Give him some more typical ODI pitches and opposition and he'll average nearer 30 which is fine for his role.

And what does Mustard's early career have anything to do with things? Have a look at Mustard since he switched to opening in limited overs cricket over recent seasons.
I see what BoyBrumby means.

Mustard's 10 ODI's have been against Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Hardly the best bowling attacks in world cricket. His strike rate is decent, but not exceptional for a pinch hitter. I can't see any way that averaging 23 makes you a shoe in for the ODI team. Luke Wright averages more at a better strike rate, coming in at 7.

If you look at the PCA rankings for last season there are 2 keepers in the top 4, with Mustard ranked 29 and Foster 35.

If anyone has the right to feel agrieved it is Steve Davies. He got ditched after 1 game, and had a cracking season last year.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Davies played 1 ODi, batted 6 and made just 5. He also played 1 T20i, making 27 and top scoring in what was an abysmal performance from England. Was pretty harsh to drop him after only 2 games. However, the England selectors were right to pick Kieswetter ahead of him for this tour though in my view. They played together on the Lions tour, and Kieswetter out-scored Davies in every single match, playing beautifully. He then smacked the England bowling attack round in the game between them and the Lions. Kieswetter hadn't put a foot wrong until his first 2 ODi's, scoring well in basically every Lions game, and then made that 140 against Bangladesh A. Think he deserved his call, and justified that with the innings on Friday. Davies has probably done more overall to get a call-up, but Kieswetter made runs when it mattered, and when the selectors were really looking closely. Made it pretty hard for them not to pick him AFAIC.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
One thing I find baffling is the continuing presence of Prior with Kieswetter in the team. Surely giving CK the gloves and playing Trott (or even Bell) would be the way to go?

That said, Prior's keeping has come on in leaps and bounds of late. Just hope that the improvement isn't at the expense of his (test) batting, as seemed to be the case with Geraint, whose runs dried up as his glovework blossomed.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
It doesn't make sense to exclude one of your better OD batsmen on the grounds that he's a wicketkeeper.

From what I've read Kieswetter's keeping isn't too flash.

My top 4 would be:

Davies
Trott
Kieswetter
Pietersen
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Current state of our seam attack a little worrying, tbh. If Broad and Onions are both broken we could be looking at Plunkett, Bresnan and Shahzad (assuming we go with two spinners), which is the most pop-gun attack I can recall us putting out. & that's no small achievement either.
Don't think Bresnan should belong in that company imo, he's clearly a notch ahead.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
It doesn't make sense to exclude one of your better OD batsmen on the grounds that he's a wicketkeeper.

From what I've read Kieswetter's keeping isn't too flash.

My top 4 would be:

Davies
Trott
Kieswetter
Pietersen
I've seen Kieswetter keep a few times for Somerset, and I didn't see him put a foot wrong. I've heard from a few Somerset fans that his keeping has improved alot over the past couple of years, and he certainly looked a decent enough keeper when I saw him. I remember seeing him pull off a very impressive leg-side stumping standing up to a medium pacer IIRC.

Fair point, in an ideal world that'd be a nice top order (though I'd mix the order up abit, with Kieswetter opening + Trott at 4), then you'd just need to pick between Colly and KP to captain the side. I'd like to see it, but I just don't see them dropping Strauss unfortunately.
 

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