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*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010
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Loony BoB
International Captain
The image you guys are showing is actually after the injury was made, not just before the ball was won. Ramsey was actually jumping into Shawcrosse's path to make the tackle. Watch this in HD: YouTube - Ryan Shawcross injures Aaron Ramsey Stoke v Arsenal Horrific Injury
To watch it in HD, hover over the '380p' thing and change it to '720p'. You get a much clearer view.
One could easily argue that Ramsey's jumping into the challenge was recklessly endangering himself as well as Shawcross. It was definitely a jumping tackle that Ramsey made, whilst Shawcross was just moving forward after kicking the ball in that direction. In HD, it doesn't even look like he's going for a clearance, just a hard pass forwards. But the main point of these images: At which point was Shawcross not reasonable to expect he was the one who was more likely to get the ball? I'd have done the same thing in the situation. Eyes on the ball since it's ahead of you, you put your foot through it, not expecting someone who was much further away from the ball until the very last second to jump right in front of you.
Interesting handball at the very start, mind you.
To watch it in HD, hover over the '380p' thing and change it to '720p'. You get a much clearer view.
One could easily argue that Ramsey's jumping into the challenge was recklessly endangering himself as well as Shawcross. It was definitely a jumping tackle that Ramsey made, whilst Shawcross was just moving forward after kicking the ball in that direction. In HD, it doesn't even look like he's going for a clearance, just a hard pass forwards. But the main point of these images: At which point was Shawcross not reasonable to expect he was the one who was more likely to get the ball? I'd have done the same thing in the situation. Eyes on the ball since it's ahead of you, you put your foot through it, not expecting someone who was much further away from the ball until the very last second to jump right in front of you.
Interesting handball at the very start, mind you.
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sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I'd say they told you everything tbh.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Don't come here with your reasonable & considered opinions, pinko. This is Cricket Web. We want conspiracy theories and hyperbole.
I blame Dicko, obv.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Just FTR, if you ever wonder what makes you infintely more irritating than other Arsenal fans such as Brumby, Marcuss and Sledger (who probably have similar sorts of opinions), it's this. You on one hand being a massive douche about anyone who dares to critisize your point of view or Arsenal and Brumby/Sledger on the other hand who are actually acting like adults and don't feel like they need to resort to chucking around one word posts. Catch.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
These thumbnails show that Shawcross hadn't even began to swing his leg forwards until after the ball had gone. Reckless? Nah, never.The image you guys are showing is actually after the injury was made, not just before the ball was won. Ramsey was actually jumping into Shawcrosse's path to make the tackle. Watch this in HD: YouTube - Ryan Shawcross injures Aaron Ramsey Stoke v Arsenal Horrific Injury
To watch it in HD, hover over the '380p' thing and change it to '720p'. You get a much clearer view.
One could easily argue that Ramsey's jumping into the challenge was recklessly endangering himself as well as Shawcross. It was definitely a jumping tackle that Ramsey made, whilst Shawcross was just moving forward after kicking the ball in that direction. In HD, it doesn't even look like he's going for a clearance, just a hard pass forwards.
Interesting handball at the very start, mind you.
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Completely agree, ftr. Stills, super-slow-mo replays and animated gifs rarely tell you as much as real time viewings.
duffer
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The image you guys are showing is actually after the injury was made, not just before the ball was won. Ramsey was actually jumping into Shawcrosse's path to make the tackle. Watch this in HD: YouTube - Ryan Shawcross injures Aaron Ramsey Stoke v Arsenal Horrific Injury
To watch it in HD, hover over the '380p' thing and change it to '720p'. You get a much clearer view.
One could easily argue that Ramsey's jumping into the challenge was recklessly endangering himself as well as Shawcross. It was definitely a jumping tackle that Ramsey made, whilst Shawcross was just moving forward after kicking the ball in that direction. In HD, it doesn't even look like he's going for a clearance, just a hard pass forwards.
Interesting handball at the very start, mind you.
edit: To clarify I can't see any of what you're saying in the description.
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duffer
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Sticks and stones buddy. Sticks and stones.
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TBF it's a difference of about 0.01 seconds. Which is exactly why such images aren't worth much.
Loony BoB
International Captain
Watch the 'tube video, watch Ramsey, see him jump. *shrug* If you don't actually watch "both" players and instead watch what they were doing individually, you see Shawcross following the ball and going to kick it, which is fair enough as he just pushed it forward. Then watch Ramsey, you see him head towards the ball and then, at the last second, jump into the challenge. He wasn't swinging because he didn't have a planted foot - he was jumping into it. Or am I completely blind?
edit: To clarify I can't see any of what you're saying in the description.
duffer
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I think we're both seeing what we want to see.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
No you're completely right, and it's not often I agree with you old Townsy.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Want to see this added to the filter.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Loony BoB
International Captain
Yes, they do show that, I'll give you that completely. But those little pics were just to show that Shawcross had every reason - up until the final splitsecond (and last one to two snapshots) - to believe, without being reckless, that he would get the ball. The video obviously is better for watching how much time he had to react to the jump from Ramsey.
Again, I'm not saying it wasn't red, I back the ref for that. I'm just saying it wasn't reckless for him to think that he would get it. He didn't anticipate the jump and he probably wasn't looking at the guy jumping in when he made the swing at the ball. Maybe not having his eye on the opposition player and the ball at the same time can be considered reckless, but I'll disagree with that.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Disagree on both counts, obviously