*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

[grecian]

If a Manure supporter was ruling the world, I'd gladly go to those gallows

 

[social]

So would any of you armchair critics would you have given Shawcross a red card if you saw it live and had no replays or any hindsight? I bet you would of.

Yep

Bottom line is that he missed the ball and a guy ended up horribly injured - straight red if for no other reason than the result

 

[grecian]

Yep

Bottom line is that he missed the ball and a guy ended up horribly injured - straight red if for no other reason than the result

Yeah despite my charming WUism, we need to care about the results of these challenges and punish accordingly. It's all very well saying that there's many tackles like this a game and so we shouldn't go overboard on this one, but maybe if we went overboard on this we may not get many challenges like this a game.

 

[social]

Yeah despite my charming WUism, we need to care about the results of these challenges and punish accordingly. It's all very well saying that there's many tackles like this a game and so we shouldn't go overboard on this one, but maybe if we went overboard on this we may not get many challenges like this a game.

The 2 thugby codes have managed to eradicate a lot of foul play from their games via the introduction of:

a. Sin bin (10 minutes off the ground) rather than just a yellow;

b. Referrals and citing; and

c. No distinguishing between "intentional" and "accidental" (e.g. if a player makes contact with an opponent's head, then he's in trouble as it is irrelevant whether he was wrong-footed etc as his arm shouldn't have been in that area in the first place) and consequences, i.e. it's not overly significant whether the player got hurt

Now if some of the rock apes in those codes quickly caught on that times have changed, I'd imagine that footballers could do the same.

 

[Burgey]

The 2 thugby codes have managed to eradicate a lot of foul play from their games via the introduction of:

a. Sin bin (10 minutes off the ground) rather than just a yellow;

b. Referrals and citing; and

c. No distinguishing between "intentional" and "accidental" (e.g. if a player makes contact with an opponent's head, then he's in trouble as it is irrelevant whether he was wrong-footed etc as his arm shouldn't have been in that area in the first place) and consequences, i.e. it's not overly significant whether the player got hurt

Now if some of the rock apes in those codes quickly caught on that times have changed, I'd imagine that footballers could do the same.

Don't disagree with you mate, but do you think the average footballer is realy that much brighter than the average league or union player?

 

[social]

Don't disagree with you mate, but do you think the average footballer is realy that much brighter than the average league or union player?

If anything, there probably closer to the bottom of the gene pool so you'd have to make it reaaallllllly simple e.g. "yellow" is no longer a warning, it's 10 minutes on the sidelines or any tackle from behind (that doesnt get the ball obviously) or over the top of the ball is a minimum of yellow irrespective of whether it does any damage

 

[Tom Halsey]

You're a better man than me then. He can die in a fire for all I care.

What a fantastic human being you are.

In fact the over reaction from the Arsenal contingent as a whole is really quite baffling. Yeah it was a bad tackle but as previously mentioned it wasn't even the worst tackle that you'll see this weekend. I defended Taylor at the time too, and that was a far worse tackle than that of Shawcross. Neither was remotely intentional, although I won't defend the tackles themselves.

As for 3 broken legs in 3 years, I play poker almost for a living at the moment which has given me a very solid understanding of variance, and how far win rates (or in this case broken legs) can differentiate from the expected amount over a very big sample size indeed. Several people in this thread have been underestimating that an indescribable amount. Given the amount of chance involved in breaking a leg (far worse tackles than the one on Ramsey don't break legs, and far less bad tackles than the one on Ramsey do break legs) and the occurrence rate of broken legs, 3 broken legs in one team in 3 years is almost (though not totally) statistically irrelevant.

 

[Jarquis]

So the attitude of playing physical and getting amongst Arsenal plays no part whatsoever? Well I disagree for reasons already stated.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Well teams like Stoke play like that against everyone, so pretty much, yeah. Arsenal just have the most problems with it so its against them that it tends to be most noticed/focused upon.

 

[Jarquis]

It's noticed more because it happens more. As duffer said there's aanhreason we're the most fouled side in the league.

 

[Craig]

What a fantastic human being you are.

In fact the over reaction from the Arsenal contingent as a whole is really quite baffling. Yeah it was a bad tackle but as previously mentioned it wasn't even the worst tackle that you'll see this weekend. I defended Taylor at the time too, and that was a far worse tackle than that of Shawcross. Neither was remotely intentional, although I won't defend the tackles themselves.

As for 3 broken legs in 3 years, I play poker almost for a living at the moment which has given me a very solid understanding of variance, and how far win rates (or in this case broken legs) can differentiate from the expected amount over a very big sample size indeed. Several people in this thread have been underestimating that an indescribable amount. Given the amount of chance involved in breaking a leg (far worse tackles than the one on Ramsey don't break legs, and far less bad tackles than the one on Ramsey do break legs) and the occurrence rate of broken legs, 3 broken legs in one team in 3 years is almost (though not totally) statistically irrelevant.

Would your tune be the same if it was Rooney instead of Ramsey and your team lost out on the EPL title as a result? I doubt it. The only way you can't have any hypocrisy if you would defend Shawcross (for example) in a similar tackle against one of your players, more so if he is a key player. I know you will say otherwise, and defend him, but I think you and Uppercut are full of ****.

 

[Tom Halsey]

It's noticed more because it happens more. As duffer said there's aanhreason we're the most fouled side in the league.

You're not the most fouled by any statistically significant amount, and this is shown by the fact that you weren't the most fouled in previous seasons - for example United were the most fouled in 2008, the year of the Eduardo injury, followed by Everton apparently. Can't find statistics on any other seasons at the moment, not that they mean anything.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Would your tune be the same if it was Rooney instead of Ramsey and your team lost out on the EPL title as a result? I doubt it. The only way you can't have any hypocrisy if you would defend Shawcross (for example) in a similar tackle against one of your players, more so if he is a key player. I know you will say otherwise, and defend him, but I think you and Uppercut are full of ****.

There's not much I can say to this other than you are simply wrong.

If it happened to Rooney (and it was a poor tackle) then I'd criticize the tackle but I certainly wouldn't wish death on the tackler, mainly because it's unlikely the tackle would have been intentional. In all my time watching football, only one genuinely awful tackle has to me even looked intentional, and that was Keane on Haaland all those years ago.

 

[duffer]

What a fantastic human being you are.

In fact the over reaction from the Arsenal contingent as a whole is really quite baffling. Yeah it was a bad tackle but as previously mentioned it wasn't even the worst tackle that you'll see this weekend. I defended Taylor at the time too, and that was a far worse tackle than that of Shawcross. Neither was remotely intentional, although I won't defend the tackles themselves.

As for 3 broken legs in 3 years, I play poker almost for a living at the moment which has given me a very solid understanding of variance, and how far win rates (or in this case broken legs) can differentiate from the expected amount over a very big sample size indeed. Several people in this thread have been underestimating that an indescribable amount. Given the amount of chance involved in breaking a leg (far worse tackles than the one on Ramsey don't break legs, and far less bad tackles than the one on Ramsey do break legs) and the occurrence rate of broken legs, 3 broken legs in one team in 3 years is almost (though not totally) statistically irrelevant.

Oh give me the strength. Figure of speech. You think I actually want the **** to die?

Ah, the stats angle too. How exciting.

 

[duffer]

And heh @ Manyoo fans crying about overreactions. It really is hilarious.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Well given your over reaction as a whole, it seemed pretty plausible.

And if you actually took the time to read my post, you'd see I'm not coming from the stats angle - I'm saying they're useless in this case.

 

[Tom Halsey]

And heh @ Manyoo fans crying about overreactions. It really is hilarious.

Huh? Don't get this I'm afraid.

 

[Jarquis]

And heh @ Manyoo fans crying about overreactions. It really is hilarious.

@ the reactions.

 

[duffer]

Huh? Don't get this I'm afraid.

The equally vociferous reactions to the Arsenal reactions. Then there's the whole nature of football fans in general thing too.

 

[Tom Halsey]

The equally vociferous reactions to the Arsenal reactions. Then there's the whole nature of football fans in general thing too.

The reaction to your reaction has been nothing like as vociferous (with the exception of Rose, who was winding everyone up).

Actually tbf I was probably unfair in bracketing all Arsenal fans together, because I didn't see the likes of Brumby or Sledger reacting far OTT.