Let me see if I have your situation right. A fire has broken out in your own house. You have a bucket of water that might put it out. But you run to your neighbours house and throw it on his bed because you think he wont get a cozy bed for that night.
excluding minnows sachin average 52.20 overseas. ponting averages 48.44.
You forgot the neutral tests; that pushes Ponting to 49.96. 50 v 52, like I said.
Said Tendulkar's #1 fanboy on this forum. Anyway, other than keeping up with him, I don't know what I've said is biased.
you're right ikki. one averages above 50 and the other one, below. let us ignore the silly 0.04 and assume bradman averaged an even hundred and ponting averages 50 overseas.
I am not saying let's drop India from his record, it's something he has to live with. I am saying don't let Tendulkar averging 2.whatever runs more fool you into thinking that automatically makes his away form better. No, Ponting's OVERALL away average takes a hit because of his one very poor record in India. Elsewhere, his record is much better than Tendulkar's record elsewhere. He either scores more runs in many places than Tendulkar or even when he scores less he scores still a more than significant amount.
Ponting has played 3 innings away against Minnows in his career...which is much less than Tendulkar's. Of course you have to remove them, it shouldn't even need to be said.
It doesn't matter if his away record is better. It means if his home pitches were even more competitive that gap would have been more and his overall average lower. Tendulkar scored more runs in the 90s than he did in the 00s (more when harder, less when easier), it doesn't mean the 00s were as tough.
If Ponting averages 60 at home and 50 away, that's nothing to denigrate him for. In fact, it's something to praise him for. Would it be better if it was 55 vs 50 just so the difference was smaller? That's a crap point.
Nah, we removed minnows so BD didn't count and yes, averaging 119 in Pak is something, and 97 against them in neutral ground even more impressive. I keep reiterating; that pitch wasn't meant for batting on so that high average is superlative, not misleading. And then 55 vs SA, 50 against SL and 44 against England. So only 1 poor record. Thanks for playing.
With your logic I am not surprised.
Ikki it is very convenient of you to sidestep the argument that West Indies post 2002 has not been minnow like. The fact is Ponting has "succeeded" among the top test teams only in South Africa, while Tendulkar has failed only there (even not by much).
Is that all you were talking about?
i did not want to hold the 0.04 ikki, because i know it is silly. and that is what i had said. I said "let us assume" he averaged 50. did not say "let us pretend" ; that would have been sarcastic. i dont want to waste my quota of sarcasm for 0.04 points.
but you are biased !!
They have been weak but not B/Z level and it doesn't matter since Tendulkar got to play them enough and didn't score as many runs against them. Ponting played them at their weakest 6 times away and Tendulkar 5 times. If Tendulkar played Bangladesh 9 times and Ponting 8, yet Tendulkar averages 100 and Ponting averages 40, then that's Ponting's fault. Whether they're easier or not as good is irrelevant because they both had a chance to cash in.
Yes, that is what I was referring to. It turned into a vs debate because a few people are sensitive to a few truths and think by tearing walls down they're going to get anywhere. And per your own point, Sachin doesn't face Ind and Ponting Aus so it's irrelevant that they're the top teams.
My point was never that Sachin needed home advantage. Something that's been overlooked here. As I said, the two points where Ponting and Sachin really differ are:
And remember what I had said then? When Zimbabwe were better (circa 2001) Tendulkar has scored less 100s against them and more against WIndies. So if we swapped them around it would hurt his record. It doesn't really matter, 1 100 here or there is unlikely to be the difference between them.But the Zimbabwe that Tendulkar played was better than today's Windies and Pakistan!
Tendulkar did not play as many test matches as Ponting did during their respective peaks, or atleast same number of test matches due to the ODI deluge of the late 90s and early 00s. Also despite being a year and half apart Tendulkar debuted 6-7 years before Ponting is certainly his achievement.
