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Interesting hypothesis! So I guess China could unearth/develop a 'test class' team too if it gets serious abt cricket. I guess population and money is not an issue there
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silentstriker
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Helps having 4x the population and having insane child-abusing sport academies 
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Zinzan
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Er...slight difference between India & China considering cricket's arguably been the no.1 sport in India for years now & is very rich in history.
Look, I'm not basing it purely on population, India have had a much higher population relative to other cricketing nations for donkeys years, but the difference now compared to the 70s,80s & even 90s is India now has one of the fastest growing middle-classes in the world & if you couple that with the fact that most of the money is generated for their TV audiences & their domestic players get to play with & against the best players in the world in a competition (IPL) that through the overseas quota rules which (rightly or wrongly) give more opportunity for both Indian international & domestic players that any country has, even if it is T20.
Hence why I think it'd be a bit of a concern if they don't get some absolute world-class bowlers coming through in the next 5-10 years.
You disagree with his?
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Athlai
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Conversely doesn't China have the fastest growing middle class in the world?
Still you have to be interested in cricket in the first place...
Zinzan
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Haha, funny thing is India's population's not far of China these days,since China's 1-child policy the 80s. Latest stats suggest China 1.33 Billion vs India 1.15 B, then daylight to the USA in 3rd place with a mere 307 M.Helps having 4x the population and having insane child-abusing sport academies
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Would have said so until I watched a very good & recent docu on Shanghai couple of weeks back. As an economy, they're growing at a tremendous rate i.e their economic growth of around 10% even through the worst of the recession (between Oct08-Mar-09), but it's suggested that whilst the rich & existing middle-class are getting much wealthier & that their economy is booming, they still rely on what we'd label "slave labour" & very few of the poor are making the transition to middle class there.
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Yea. The actual cricket playing population, with access to facilities and equipment, in India, is low. India doesn't have child abusing sport academies from age four onwards either.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
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Black_Warrior
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Yes because
South Africa beat Australia in Austraila, India - fail
India beat Australia at home, South Africa - fail
so they cancel each other out.
South Africa won in England, drew at home
India won in England, won at home
India on top
South Africa beat India at home, beat India away (if they do in this one)
India, lost both
South Africa by a margin for me.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
lol.. seriously pessimistic there.. This is a fantastic team for these conditions, esp. the bowling attack.. Parnell doesn't seem like he is there yet but the rest are really really good and well suited for these conditions... And the batting is good too... The only real problem could be that apart from AB and maybe Smith, the rest don't seem to be naturally positive... Apart from that, this is a very good side and with India weakened as it is, you won't get a better chance to go 2-0 against us in the foreseeable future, AFAIC...
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
funny coz RSA could not manage that.
Sir Alex
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Haha time out guys. Interesting but totally ridiculous points.
So India did exactly what? Lose a test (a test, not the series, not yet) against World No.2 (officially) side. And that too an India that went the last 17 months without a single test match loss albeit having played almost all the top nations, Australia, Sri Lanka, New Zealand etc.
People are conveniently forgetting the XI that lost the last test match "boasted" of at best 70% efficiency, be it due to injuries or selection stupidities. Losing Laxman, Dravid can be hurting like losing Ponting & Hussey or Smith and Kallis, and absence of Yuvraj, for all his weaknesses, can be hurting especially when the replacement is someone like Saha who is 10 times inferior to him.
No, I am not suggesting India could have won the first test match with even Laxman, Yuvraj or Dravid, not with the pathetic bowling display, but the reason for the failure is NOT because our pacers were horrible. Actually our pacers did what's expected out of them, by reducing SA to 6-2 in the first 30 minutes of play, but due to our much heralded spinners looking completely out of depth.
And a massive
at guys suggesting India, for it's blah blah population, blah blah money etc have not been able to "unearth" fast bowlers. Well?? The fact that without such "fast" bowlers, if we could attain the no.1 rank, surely how is that "disappointing"? Secondly, why the blind thought we have "dire" fast bowlers? Zaheer, Ishant and Sreesanth, for all the flak they get, and despite having to perform majority of their careers on soul drenching Indian surfaces, have done better than an Anderson/Broad or the NZ lineup without Bond, or the West Indies pace battery, and I guess is currently bettered by only Australian, South African and perhaps Pakistani pace lineup.
So India did exactly what? Lose a test (a test, not the series, not yet) against World No.2 (officially) side. And that too an India that went the last 17 months without a single test match loss albeit having played almost all the top nations, Australia, Sri Lanka, New Zealand etc.
People are conveniently forgetting the XI that lost the last test match "boasted" of at best 70% efficiency, be it due to injuries or selection stupidities. Losing Laxman, Dravid can be hurting like losing Ponting & Hussey or Smith and Kallis, and absence of Yuvraj, for all his weaknesses, can be hurting especially when the replacement is someone like Saha who is 10 times inferior to him.
No, I am not suggesting India could have won the first test match with even Laxman, Yuvraj or Dravid, not with the pathetic bowling display, but the reason for the failure is NOT because our pacers were horrible. Actually our pacers did what's expected out of them, by reducing SA to 6-2 in the first 30 minutes of play, but due to our much heralded spinners looking completely out of depth.
And a massive
at guys suggesting India, for it's blah blah population, blah blah money etc have not been able to "unearth" fast bowlers. Well?? The fact that without such "fast" bowlers, if we could attain the no.1 rank, surely how is that "disappointing"? Secondly, why the blind thought we have "dire" fast bowlers? Zaheer, Ishant and Sreesanth, for all the flak they get, and despite having to perform majority of their careers on soul drenching Indian surfaces, have done better than an Anderson/Broad or the NZ lineup without Bond, or the West Indies pace battery, and I guess is currently bettered by only Australian, South African and perhaps Pakistani pace lineup.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
^ Yeah I have been saying this for quite some time..that India's bowler are not as bad as people are making them out to be. But I am disappointed with Ishant's decline in pace...he looked so good in Australia 3 years ago..
And even if India manage to lose this series..they would still be the second best team in the world. Hey I would take that any day over number 7!
And even if India manage to lose this series..they would still be the second best team in the world. Hey I would take that any day over number 7!
Sir Alex
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India likely to make 2 changes for Kolkata Test- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
Sources have confirmed to TIMES NOW that changes are expected in the Indian side which will take on South Africa in the second Test in Kolkata which begins from 14th February. S badrinath will retain his place in the playing eleven and now fully fit VVS Laxman and Sreesanth will make a comeback.
Meanwhile, Suresh Raina will have to wait to make his Test debut.
Sources have confirmed to TIMES NOW that changes are expected in the Indian side which will take on South Africa in the second Test in Kolkata which begins from 14th February. S badrinath will retain his place in the playing eleven and now fully fit VVS Laxman and Sreesanth will make a comeback.
Meanwhile, Suresh Raina will have to wait to make his Test debut.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
lol.. juz out of curiosity, why was it even considered that Badrinath will not retain his place???
Avada Kedavra
Banned
What if India draw the series ?
TT Boy
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And China does?
