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[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I was thinking of Miller's shocking ODI against Australia , maybe i should have mentioned his test match against Bangeldash instead then?

ODI cricket...is....not........Test.......cricket.

 

[WindieWeathers]

What?

I call for Miller for TESTS based on FC cricket.
You call on Khan for ODIs based on FC cricket. FC cricket has NOTHING to do with ODI cricket. How is this not getting through?

That doesn't mean Khan can't play ODI's does it? and lets be real here FC cricket and Test cricket are two worlds apart so one could suggest that using Miller's record as "proof" that he could cut it is also futile.

 

[Prince EWS]

My argument is he uses Miller's Fc record to advocate his inclusion in the test side, i mention Khan's fc record this season to advocate him getting a chance in the ODI side instead of Hinds and he had a problem with it, it's double standards imo.

No it's not a double standard, because First Class cricket is relevant to Test cricket; it has little relevance to ODI cricket. ODI sides should be picked from the best ODD (or "List A") performers; not the best First Class performers. His point is about the difference between the two formats of cricket, not the two standards of cricket.

 

[WindieWeathers]

No it's not a double standard, because First Class cricket is relevant to Test cricket; it has little relevance to ODI cricket. ODI sides should be picked from the best ODD (or "List A") performers; not the best First Class performers. His point is about the difference between the two formats of cricket, not the two standards of cricket.

There's no evidence to suggest Khan can't play ODI'S so i don't think there was anything wrong with me putting his name forward based on the good form he's showing right now, Deonarine hasn't played a huge amount ODI'S but i don't think he'll have any problems.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

There's no evidence to suggest Khan can't play ODI'S so i don't think there was anything wrong with me putting his name forward based on the good form he's showing right now, Deonarine hasn't played a huge amount ODI'S but i don't think he'll have any problems.

There's no evidence to suggest that he can. And that's what you pick players on. Evidence that they can, not that they can't. Heck, I've never played FC or OD cricket, but there's no evidence I can't play Test and ODI cricket. They should pick me!

And Narsingh Deonarine has played over 50 domestic OD matches, and has, largely, been a failure.

 

[WindieWeathers]

There's no evidence to suggest that he can. And that's what you pick players on. Evidence that they can, not that they can't. Heck, I've never played FC or OD cricket, but there's no evidence I can't play Test and ODI cricket. They should pick me!

And Narsingh Deonarine has played over 50 domestic OD matches, and has, largely, been a failure.

Ok Mr M here's a question, Barath hasn't played an ODI for the Windies so should he never get a chance then? and when i talked about Deonarine's ODI record i was referring to his Windie ODI's of which he's only played five.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ok Mr M here's a question, Barath hasn't played an ODI for the Windies so should he never get a chance then? and when i talked about Deonarine's ODI record i was referring to his Windie ODI's of which he's only played five.

When did I say you have to play an ODI to be eligible for ODI selection? That's completely nonsensical, and I never even alluded to it.

Adrian Barath has played 12 OD (not ODI) matches, which is 12 more than Imran Khan has played. So yes, there's actually evidence to consider him for selection, because he's actually played the 50-over format. Granted, he's not done particularly well in it, but if guys like Deonarine are worth a go, then you have to consider that Barath averages about 4 runs more per innings.

 

[WindieWeathers]

When did I say you have to play an ODI to be eligible for ODI selection? That's completely nonsensical, and I never even alluded to it.

Adrian Barath has played 12 OD (not ODI) matches, which is 12 more than Imran Khan has played. So yes, there's actually evidence to consider him for selection, because he's actually played the 50-over format. Granted, he's not done particularly well in it, but if guys like Deonarine are worth a go, then you have to consider that Barath averages about 4 runs more per innings.

I never said you alluded to anything i merely pointed out that you claimed "Khan hasn't done anything in Odi's to be included for WI" so if that's your logic then neither should Barath, the bottom line is Khan is in the form of his life and i believe giving him a chance instead of Hinds would have been more beneficial,

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I never said you alluded to anything i merely pointed out that you claimed "Khan hasn't done anything in Odi's to be included for WI" so if that's your logic then neither should Barath, the bottom line is Khan is in the form of his life and i believe giving him a chance instead of Hinds would have been more beneficial,

I never said that.

Let's clarify, since this is the point you seem to be missing:

1. FC cricket = first-class cricket; the 3 or 4-day game, and precursor to Test cricket at a domestic level. It includes Test cricket.
2. OD cricket = one-day cricket; the lack of an 'I' means that it's not necessarily international cricket. It is, however, a domestic 50-over match and therefore the precursor to ODI cricket on a domestic level. It includes ODI cricket.
3. OD cricket and FC cricket are as unrelated as Test and ODI cricket. Different formats, and form in either one is not interchangeable. Countless players over the years have proven as much.
4. ODI cricket can apply to nothing other than One Day INTERNATIONAL cricket.

Barath has played OD cricket. Khan has not. Neither has played ODI cricket. What's not to understand?

As for Khan's merits for being picked for ODI cricket right now, see #3.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I never said that.

Let's clarify, since this is the point you seem to be missing:

1. FC cricket = first-class cricket; the 3 or 4-day game, and precursor to Test cricket at a domestic level. It includes Test cricket.
2. OD cricket = one-day cricket; the lack of an 'I' means that it's not necessarily international cricket. It is, however, a domestic 50-over match and therefore the precursor to ODI cricket on a domestic level. It includes ODI cricket.
3. OD cricket and FC cricket are as unrelated as Test and ODI cricket. Different formats, and form in either one is not interchangeable. Countless players over the years have proven as much.
4. ODI cricket can apply to nothing other than One Day INTERNATIONAL cricket.

Barath has played OD cricket. Khan has not. Neither has played ODI cricket. What's not to understand?

As for Khan's merits for being picked for ODI cricket right now, see #3.

And here's my points

1. you big up Miller's FC record above all the other spinners as "proof" that he should be in the test side ahead of Benn

2. I bigged up Khan Fc record THIS SEASON to suggest that HE'S ON FORM

3. you come in and said "FC record doesn't matter when it comes to ODI''S"

4. You can't seem to fathom that Barath playing OD's against poor opposition doesn't mean he can play one dayers at international level .

5. you say "we've got no proof that Khan can play odi's" so how are we meant to get the proof then? by NOT ever giving him a chance? .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And here's my points

1. you big up Miller's FC record above all the other spinners as "proof" that he should be in the test side ahead of Benn

Yes. And? Domestic FC cricket is the precursor to Test cricket. That's not my opinion- it's a fact.

2. I bigged up Khan Fc record THIS SEASON to suggest that HE'S ON FORM

3. you come in and said "FC record doesn't matter when it comes to ODI''S"

Because...it doesn't. Yes, he's in FC form, but that has nothing to do with ODI cricket.

4. You can't seem to fathom that Barath playing OD's against poor opposition doesn't mean he can play one dayers at international level .

Yes, if someone can't play well in domestic cricket, he's highly unlikely to do so in international cricket. When have I said otherwise, and what does this have to do with anything?

5. you say "we've got no proof that Khan can play odi's" so how are we meant to get the proof then? by NOT ever giving him a chance? .

By letting him play OD matches. One day matches. Domestic one day matches.

Dear God...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And again, I'm clearly the best candidate for the ODI team. I bat better than Lara, bowl better than McGrath, and field better than Rhodes. There's no proof that I don't, so it's obviously true.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Because...it doesn't. Yes, he's in FC form, but that has nothing to do with ODI cricket.

And how many players do you see who are more suited to longer form of the game but yet they are still in the Odi side? Chanders? Nash? Deonarine? Sarwan?

Yes, if someone can't play well in domestic cricket, he's highly unlikely to do so in international cricket. When have I said otherwise, and what does this have to do with anything?

So why on earth did you bring up Barath's "OD record" then?

By letting him play OD matches. One day matches. Domestic one day matches.

Dear God...

Isn't Khan an attacking spinner? anyone would have thought we were talking about an opener!!, jesus christ we'd be putting a spinner in the side who's took more wickets than Miller this season!!.. "THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD STEP UP" obviously

 

[WindieWeathers]

And again, I'm clearly the best candidate for the ODI team. I bat better than Lara, bowl better than McGrath, and field better than Rhodes. There's no proof that I don't, so it's obviously true.

Get your backside to Australia then instead of moaning on the forum!! .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And how many players do you see who are more suited to longer form of the game but yet they are still in the Odi side? Chanders? Nash? Deonarine? Sarwan?

Say what? Chanderpaul and Sarwan are fine players in all forms of one-day cricket. And clearly you're being selective, because I've always maintained that Nash is a poor selection for ODIs. Why? Because he's a proven one-day failure. And you're well aware of my feelings on Deonarine's OD selection.

You're saying that because mistakes have been made, that's justification to continue to make mistakes? Seriously, I'd email a CV to the PCB if I were you.

So why on earth did you bring up Barath's "OD record" then?

Because you asked me to!
You said: "Ok Mr M here's a question, Barath hasn't played an ODI for the Windies so should he never get a chance then?"

So I corrected you.

Isn't Khan an attacking spinner? anyone would have thought we were talking about an opener!!, jesus christ we'd be putting a spinner in the side who's took more wickets than Miller this season!!.. "THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD STEP UP" obviously

In...first...class....cricket. Not one day cricket. It's not about stepping up from one level to another. They are different formats, not levels.

 

[SeamUp]

I'm rather disappointed with all the injuries the Windies have picked up. Really think the Windies can climb the ladder ahead of Pakistan, Sri Lanka and New Zealand as an all-round team with the talent coming through.

Due to injuries now but for far too long average hacks like Morton, Sammy, Dw Smith, Powell, Tonge & Deonarine have been slected and not really deserved of playing for the Windies. It may sound harsh but its the true reality.

Cannot wait for our series there latter this year.

A windies team going in the right direction...

1. GAYLE
2. BARATH
3. SARWAN
4. CHANDERPAUL/ BRATHWAITE
5. SIMMONS/ NASH/ DARREN BRAVO
6. DWAYNE BRAVO/ POLLARD
7. RAMDIN
8. TAYLOR
9. BENN/ MILLER
10. EDWARDS/ HOLDER/ RAMPAUL
11. ROACH

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

6. DWAYNE BRAVO/ POLLARD

I won't focus on the others, because this is the one that intrigues me the most...

You really think Pollard can/should displace Bravo in the team? Surely at best they should play alongside each other.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

This news is a couple of days old, but I don't think it's been mentioned...

Lara robbed by female employee

Most of the riches recovered, as detailed above.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Say what? Chanderpaul and Sarwan are fine players in all forms of one-day cricket. And clearly you're being selective, because I've always maintained that Nash is a poor selection for ODIs. Why? Because he's a proven one-day failure. And you're well aware of my feelings on Deonarine's OD selection.

Clearly you didn't read the words "MORE SUITED" which they clearly are, claiming Chanders isn't more effective at test level is a total joke imo.

You're saying that because mistakes have been made, that's justification to continue to make mistakes? Seriously, I'd email a CV to the PCB if I were you.

one bit of advice, trying to distort peoples views (AGAIN) doesn't win you an argument.

Because you asked me to!
You said: "Ok Mr M here's a question, Barath hasn't played an ODI for the Windies so should he never get a chance then?"

So I corrected you.

"Corrected"? nah, you just came forth with an "OD stat" without even providing a link for proof

In...first...class....cricket. Not one day cricket. It's not about stepping up from one level to another. They are different

Yep and still we have no proof that he couldn't be effective in the ODI'S.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ok, I can see I'm not going to win. But based on your selection policy, neither would West Indies.