Ball tampering, does every team do it?

[dikinee]

You also get dropped hundreds of times, which pretty well invariably outnumber by quite a bit the times you get bad "out" decisions. If batsmen walk when they're out, it reduces the number of times an incorrect Umpiring decision will be made because it eliminates the chance of the bad n\o decision for catches. Thus it makes the game better - and as I'm sure most acknowledge, the good of the game is more important than the good of any individual batsman.

Batsmen who do not walk when they think they can get away with something which should be out (no batsman refuses to walk when he's obviously out) are batsmen who are trying to get what they have not earned, simple as.

I totally agree with you on the issue of walking. I, personally, have always walked and encourage the kids that I coach to do the same. If you know you`ve hit the ball and it has been taken by the keeper then your own concience should tell you that you are out. I agree that not to do so is well within the rules but IMO not within the spirit of the game.

 

[dikinee]

A cricket ethics question for Richard (and anyone else), if the umpire calls a no-ball for overstepping and the non-striker doesnt think the bowler overstepped what should he do?

He should abide by the umpires decision and get on with the game.

EDIT> Come to think of it the non striker shouldnt be in any position to see if the bowler has bowled a no ball, he should have his bat grounded at the end of his outstreched arm and ready to start backing up as soon as the bowler enters his delivery stride. Not standing behind the stumps with the umpire.

 

[Goughy]

He could complain on the spot if he wants quietly to the umpire, without making a big scene out of it. Especially lets say if its a close match & match-winning partnership is potentially being broken by the bowler overstepping.

But Im talking about a noball being called when the batsman doesnt think it should be. I couldnt imagine anyone telling the umpire and quite frankly it isnt their place to do so. Same with walking. It isnt out until it is given.

I mean this overriding the umpire thing is a mess. Just let them do their job. Lets say you edge one to first slip but the umpire calls noball. Your mate at the non-strikers end says "The umpire got it wrong, it was never a no-ball". Should you walk? Of course not.

I never walk though if an umpire asked me if I nicked it I would always answer truthfully. I dont expect anyone else to answer differently. Im sure some would but Im not going to lower my expectations to adjust to the standards of certain people.

 

[Furball]

I totally agree with you on the issue of walking. I, personally, have always walked and encourage the kids that I coach to do the same. If you know you`ve hit the ball and it has been taken by the keeper then your own concience should tell you that you are out. I agree that not to do so is well within the rules but IMO not within the spirit of the game.

So what does the batsman do if he middles it into his pads and is given out LBW?

 

[dikinee]

So what does the batsman do if he middles it into his pads and is given out LBW?

It has been my experience that lbw decisions pretty much even out, some go for you some go against you but the only person who is in the right position to decide (without tv cameras) is the ump. So just take what your given and get on with the game.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

It has been my experience that lbw decisions pretty much even out, some go for you some go against you but the only person who is in the right position to decide (without tv cameras) is the ump. So just take what your given and get on with the game.

But if you're given not out caught behind by the umpire, but you know you've hit it, you shouldn't take what you're given and get on with it?

 

[Faisal1985]

You have completely ignored my main point which as Mr Mxy observes is that if you are trying to ball tamper the first thing you need to do is to work out which side of the ball you're trying to rough up, and you then rough that side up and protect the other side. Try stopping a rolling cricket ball with your foot and making sure you hit the right side (hit the wrong side, or the seam, and you'll ruin the whole thing). The odds are so stacked against you, it wouldake no sense to do it.

As for how much force he applied, well there's no way of knowing for sure, but judging by the TV footage there seemed to be hardly any force at all.

True if he was trying to stop a rolling ball, there is a 50 50 chance he might get it right........looked like to me as he stepped on an already stopped ball.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

But if you're given not out caught behind by the umpire, but you know you've hit it, you shouldn't take what you're given and get on with it?

Just realized I missed a couple of words in this post that completely changed the meaning of it. Fixed now.

 

[daghetto]

YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar Ball Tampering Issue


tendulkar says it happens all over the woirld too..

 

[Sir Alex]

YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar Ball Tampering Issue


tendulkar says it happens all over the woirld too..

Epitome of selective editing without the context. He could have meant "cleaning of the seam" also. Loved the way the video end abruptly.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Yes, all he says is that there's always been controversy, and he actually says that it's blown out of proportion. There's nothing saying that ball-tampering itself happens all over the world.

 

[aussie]

But Im talking about a noball being called when the batsman doesnt think it should be. I couldnt imagine anyone telling the umpire and quite frankly it isnt their place to do so. Same with walking. It isnt out until it is given.

I mean this overriding the umpire thing is a mess. Just let them do their job. Lets say you edge one to first slip but the umpire calls noball. Your mate at the non-strikers end says "The umpire got it wrong, it was never a no-ball". Should you walk? Of course not.

I never walk though if an umpire asked me if I nicked it I would always answer truthfully. I dont expect anyone else to answer differently. Im sure some would but Im not going to lower my expectations to adjust to the standards of certain people.

Yea fair enough. The need to work on this review system indeed, i think they have got into test cricket to fast. It should have been on a trial run in ODIs & T20s, then when the ICC was 100% confident about everything then bring it into test cricket.

 

[Flem274*]

Richard to argue that they shouldn't in 5...4...3...

Well they do, so it's Richard's tough luck

 

[Point]

YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar Ball Tampering Issue


tendulkar says it happens all over the woirld too..

Sacrilege

 

[silentstriker]

YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar Ball Tampering Issue

Except he says controversy happens and it's blown out of proportion due to the media. He doesn't say anything about ball tampering being widespread.

 

[ret]

YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar Ball Tampering Issue


tendulkar says it happens all over the woirld too..

^That's a doctored video

Below is the original clip:

YouTube - Talk Asia - CNN - Sachin Tendulkar 1/3

PS watch that from around 6.5 onwards where he is talking abt controversies in cricket like Bhajji's slap gate, Akthar hitting a teammate with a bat, Shane Warne's text messeging, etc, where it say that it happens everywhere. The doctored video has taken that response and put it after another Q.

 

[Sir Alex]

Wow! Thanks! The one who did the earlier video (I understand is a Pakistani) is simply dire. He cut the last question and put it before the second last one and it seemed as if Tendulkar is initially reluctant to speak about ball tampering but then admits it happens everywhere, while in actuality he is saying such controversies get blown up in the media, and when asked about the particular ball tampering issue, he offers no comments at all.

Pathetic.

 

[ret]

Btw, below is Sachin's case .... Anyone who thinks removing grass from the ball constitutes as ball tempering and thus he is in the same league as some of the real offenders need to have his/her head examined

The International Cricket Council on Wednesday made it clear that Sachin Tendulkar hadn't been found guilty of ball tampering by its match referee Mike Denness, whose action sparked off a bitter controversy.

The master batsman was handed down a suspended one-match ban and a fine by Denness during the second Test between India and South Africa at Port Elizabeth last week for not informing the umpires that he was removing grass from the seam of the ball, the ICC said.

"Sachin Tendulkar has not been found guilty of ball tampering. The punishment was for removing grass from the ball but not having informed the umpires, which is very different from ball tampering," ICC spokesman Jonathan Hamus said.

The belated clarification from the game's governing body comes amidst hectic efforts by those involved with the game to find a way out of the stand-off between the ICC and the Board of Control for Cricket in India.

rediff.com: cricket channel - Tendulkar not guilty of ball tampering: ICC

Controversial British cricket match referee Mike Denness has said he does not believe that India's Sachin Tendulkar, whom he had found guilty of ball tampering, committed the offence deliberately.

Speaking to the British media, Denness denied he accused Tendulkar of "tampering" with the ball. "Tampering seems to be the instant word that everyone wants to use," he said.


The rule under which Denness booked Tendulkar (Law 42.3) speaks of "altering the condition of the ball." But Denness himself now says that he did not suggest that Tendulkar had tampered with the ball.

The rule required Tendulkar to clean the seam under the supervision of the umpires, which Tendulkar failed to do. Denness says he felt this was technical neglect, not deliberate offence.

"I can't use the words ball-tampering. I can use 'action on the ball' or whatever because there's nothing in the laws about 'tampering'. It depends how you interpret the English language, I suppose."

rediff.com: cricket channel - Tendulkar's fault technical, not deliberate: Denness

 

[Burgey]

CW in "rush to defend Tendulkar" shocker!

 

[Sanz]

YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar Ball Tampering Issue


tendulkar says it happens all over the woirld too..

^That's a doctored video .

Well, What did you expect ?