*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

[Ikki]

2-0 RAFA RAFAEL RAFA RAFAEL RAFA RAFAEL RAFAEL BENITEZ!

 

[superkingdave]

Yeah because they're the only team in debt.

Thought it was funny that the sub heading on BBC was something like 'Chelsea now virtually debt free' tbh, if there was one club you thought you could count on to be in a worse state...​

 

[duffer]

Foul from Gallas missed and Arsenal score. Tsk tsk.

Bolton can go **** themselves tbh. After the number of fouls, hacks, kicks, elbows etc that they've been allowed to get away with against us it's now happened to them. Shame it was that Davies and not the real one. Looked a handy enough player.

Great comeback though, hilarious at times. Funny how we were meant to have strengthened with Clichy and Denilson coming in for Traore and Eastmond and they both nearly lost us the game. Denilson especially, was just a daft challenge, had so many players covering him

Still need another striker now though. Relying a lot on our midfielders to get the goals(and boy they are) but against the big guns coming up they could be smothered and dry up easily.

EDIT: Arsene: "I can show you some tackles. Put all the tackles from the two games together and we look at theirs and we look at ours, you can compare."

Yes, exactly. Bolton can piss off back home now.

 

[cpr]

Thought it was funny that the sub heading on BBC was something like 'Chelsea now virtually debt free' tbh, if there was one club you thought you could count on to be in a worse state...​

Abramovich just pays off the debts at the end of the season.... May be debt free, but financially unviable to anyone who doesnt own Siberia.

 

[Uppercut]

It makes no difference whether United are in debt or not, either they pay interest on their debts or they pay their debts off and stop earning interest on that money in the business. All the headlines with lots of big numbers are just being sensationalist.

The concern isn't whether they're in debt, it's whether they're making money. The figures quoted in the press don't really mean anything because you don't know whether the business is actually losing money or has just had a lot of its assets revalued. You'd have to look at their accounts to find out whether they're really in trouble. But they've managed to run up more debt in a period of almost unprecedentedly tight credit, so someone obviously has a great deal of faith in their business model. When notoriously cautious banks are willing to stake another $200m of their money on United's future I don't think we have too much cause to worry. Not just yet anyway.

 

[duffer]

From my skimming of the articles it seems that the Ronaldo 80m is the only reason they actually made money after taking the replayments into account. Staggeringly they seem to suggest it was mostly payed up front which just blows my mind.

 

[Matteh]

Isn't that because Real have the head of one of Spain's biggest banks on their board? Real take a loan out from that bank and he just cancels the debt allowing them to spend ridiculous amounts of players all the time.

 

[Craig]

It makes no difference whether United are in debt or not, either they pay interest on their debts or they pay their debts off and stop earning interest on that money in the business. All the headlines with lots of big numbers are just being sensationalist.

The concern isn't whether they're in debt, it's whether they're making money. The figures quoted in the press don't really mean anything because you don't know whether the business is actually losing money or has just had a lot of its assets revalued. You'd have to look at their accounts to find out whether they're really in trouble. But they've managed to run up more debt in a period of almost unprecedentedly tight credit, so someone obviously has a great deal of faith in their business model. When notoriously cautious banks are willing to stake another $200m of their money on United's future I don't think we have too much cause to worry. Not just yet anyway.

Yeah that is pretty much the crux of the matter. At the end of the day MU decided that they wanted to be floated on the stock exchange, and the shareholders sold the shares to Glazer, and they knew what would happen. You reap what you sow.

 

[Uppercut]

From my skimming of the articles it seems that the Ronaldo 80m is the only reason they actually made money after taking the replayments into account. Staggeringly they seem to suggest it was mostly payed up front which just blows my mind.

Well, no, because their debtors are included in their accounts. £20m of credit from Real Madrid counts much the same as £20m hard cash on a balance sheet. They count illiquid assets too.

 

[Nate]

That was awesome.

 

[cpr]

Yeah that is pretty much the crux of the matter. At the end of the day MU decided that they wanted to be floated on the stock exchange, and the shareholders sold the shares to Glazer, and they knew what would happen. You reap what you sow.

Not as clear cut, the majority of individuals didnt actually get a choice, auto buy out when the Glazers hit 80%, the few big bucks men who owed large blocks of shares were culpable for that position. As to reaping what we sowed, well, 20 years as a powerhouse can be attributed to being a well run PLC, so were happy with that.


Personally not overly confident with our current financial position, however pretty sure if it became too much it'd either be back on the stock market and raise a few hundred million again, or some arab might see us as a steal at half a billion less than before and wipe our debts Heard Bill Gates is a red.......

 

[duffer]

Can confirm that Bill Gates is indeed a douchebag.

 

[aussie]

United really in ****ing depth for real since the ticket pirces for the Carling Cup second leg vs City & AC Milan this season have skyrocketed, when i checked late yesterday UK time.

Carling up its £119, CL vs Milan is £210 (thats about a £100 pound increase on CL matches from past seasons & its not even a semi-final leg yet). Yo thank god for skysports..

 

[GIMH]

Surely they aren't the cheapest seats?

 

[superkingdave]

Abramovich just pays off the debts at the end of the season.... May be debt free, but financially unviable to anyone who doesnt own Siberia.

Its only the last couple of seasons he's done that isn't it? anyway he's not paying off debts, all the debt was owed to him but its been converted it into equity. Think they still lost a hefty amount last year though, but less than before

 

[Craig]

Surely they aren't the cheapest seats?

You would hope not. It is like me paying 370 euros to watch Inter play at the San Siro, but they are the most expensive seats, or you can pay 22 euro and sit in the 3rd Tier (that might be a safe place to be, what with the habit of sending mopeds over the railings).

 

[sledger]

Bolton can go **** themselves tbh. After the number of fouls, hacks, kicks, elbows etc that they've been allowed to get away with against us it's now happened to them. Shame it was that Davies and not the real one. Looked a handy enough player.

Great comeback though, hilarious at times. Funny how we were meant to have strengthened with Clichy and Denilson coming in for Traore and Eastmond and they both nearly lost us the game. Denilson especially, was just a daft challenge, had so many players covering him

Still need another striker now though. Relying a lot on our midfielders to get the goals(and boy they are) but against the big guns coming up they could be smothered and dry up easily.

EDIT: Arsene: "I can show you some tackles. Put all the tackles from the two games together and we look at theirs and we look at ours, you can compare."

Yes, exactly. Bolton can piss off back home now.

One thing that struck me as being very impressive about Eastmond actually was the way he seemed to have so much spacial awareness. From the moment he came on you could see even when he didn't have the ball he was always looking around to make sure he could get into a position where he could receive the ball safely and was totally aware of what was going on around him. Both Diaby and Denilson in particular would do well to learn from this, there were times last night where he really looked like a farmyard animal running around with his head cut off.

 

[duffer]

One thing that struck me as being very impressive about Eastmond actually was the way he seemed to have so much spacial awareness. From the moment he came on you could see even when he didn't have the ball he was always looking around to make sure he could get into a position where he could receive the ball safely and was totally aware of what was going on around him. Both Diaby and Denilson in particular would do well to learn from this, there were times last night where he really looked like a farmyard animal running around with his head cut off.

My thoughts on Denilson are pretty well made tbh, don't trust him in the slightest especially against big team's midfields. Diaby had a lost game but he at least is capable of dominating a game in the centre and is always a goal threat. His injury is a big big blow though.

Really rooting for Tunisia to get a result and send the Song back home to us. 2-2 now with 13 to go, really really hope they can hold onto this. Song ftr has been immense in this game so far.

EDIT: ****, Tunisia down to 10 men with 2 plus stoppages to go.

6 ****ing minutes injury time? **** off.

 

[Matteh]

Swear the African Cup of Nations is just some gambling fraud event.

 

[duffer]

Bloody hell, forgot about the Zambia-Gabon game. Cameroon qualified