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*Official* England in Bangladesh
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
aussie
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There wasn't much of a point to miss.
its funny you off all people would try to bait me on this specific point. Given that you where backing Mahmood to be in the ODI team before the SA tour based on his so called "good list A" performances for Lancashire last season. When its obvious List A cricket has been garbage for years & Mahmood had no improved one bit.Lets read Morgan's own thoughts on the matter.
'I'm nowhere near Test cricket' - Morgan | England Cricket News | Cricinfo.com
'I'm nowhere near Test cricket' - Morgan | England Cricket News | Cricinfo.com
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
As the article says:
The good news came the day after he was overlooked for England's Test tour to Bangladesh. Following some sensational knocks for England's one-day and Twenty20 side this winter, including a 34-ball 67 to set up victory against South Africa in the Champions Trophy, there were advocates for Morgan's promotion to the Test team, but he was not surprised when he wasn't selected. "I don't believe I'm anywhere near the Test position at the moment, because my form in the longer game hasn't been anywhere near as good as my one-day form," he said. "I believe that I'll be pushing for the Test spot at some point, but I'm certainly not ready yet."
I remain amongsts the advocates that believe he should have been on tour for reasons i've already stated. Simple.
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47.90 in the Championship
49.00 in all FC cricket (inc 4 for England Lions v WI and 106 v Cambridge UCCE)
aussie
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He is the clear # 2 to Prior ATM (until Kieswetter qualifies & doesn't make a u-turn to SA). So yes i'm backing him, based on what i've seen of him since his he does look like potential solid international quality regardless of what his FC/List A record says ATM.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
nfi why I wrote Essex.
That's not a great record to be advocating Test selection with, regardless of talent. Talent is one thing, output is another.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Yeah, but Mustard scores his runs quicker [/facepalm]
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Haa, you keep trying catch me in a "about face". When my argument on Davies has been VERY consistent in every thread you people keep bringing it up. The reasons & i dont back him because of FC record for the one million time are:
1. Based on watching him bowl, i see his FC record has a gross abberation, since i don't believe he is good enough to average 22. I question the standard of batting in FC cricket & what makes it even more embarassing is the his FC average is comparable to an actual GREAT medium pace bowler in Sir Alec Bedser - who averaged 21.
2. The fact that medium pace bowlers like Davies has basically been an extinct breed in tests cricket since the the 1950s & 1960s since Bedser, Bob Appleyard, Don Shackleton, Ken Higgs (Bedser & Appleyard being the successful ones), it is foolish to consider him since he wont have an effect on international batsmen.
The last medium pace bowlers of Davies pace to play tests in recent times that i've seen where Larsen, Brian Strang & our own John Lewis & they weren't test quality (Lewis although he played one test for reasons stated above was unlikely to be test quality either).
Thats not an "about face", that understanding the evolution of test cricket. Something i fear you struggle with from time to time.
Note: If anyone tries to compare Davies pace with McGrath, Fraser, Pollock & Vaas again. Just note that:
- McGrath was never that slow in this last days for AUS in Ashes 06/07 or 2007 WC. But rather he was bowling Davies pace 75-80 mph in IPL 2008 & 2009.
- Fraser was not Davies pace in the last days of his test career. Anyone who has good memory of ENG series vs WI, SA & AUS in 1998 should know this i hope.
- Pollock generally was not as slow as Davies in his last days or international series for SA either vs WI 07/08 (although at times in his last days he did bowl as slow as Davies).
He rather was at Davies pace like McGrath for Mumbai Indians in IPL 2008.
- Yes Vaas was as slow as Davies at the back end of his career . But what should be noted - when he reached the pace that was his worst phase career, which proves my earlier point that medium pacers in modern day cricket with all these flat pitches around chances of success is basically zero.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Yes he does based on what i've seen of Mustard & Mustard is more likely to take advatage of powerplays more effectively than Davies againts international bowlers if he gets going. That was always my point.
But regardless of that mild plus point Mustard has over Davies - Davies is clearly better overall, since Mustard isn't the potential ODI opener ENG are/where looking for. That was proven quite conclusively in his ODIs vs SRI/NZ 07/08.
zaremba
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Although his career was short, Ken Higgs probably qualifies as successful too: in 15 Tests he took 71 Test wickets at 20.74.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Oh yes how dear me forget to mention that. Bonafied Old Trafford legend, their is picture of him in Pavillion also, defiantely was a successful & very good medium pace bowler from all i've read & heard.
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
Which flies massively in the face of all statistical evidence.
While batting and bowling averages aren't the be all and end all, you cannot logically argue that Mustard scores his runs quicker than Davies when the statistics tell you the exact opposite.