*Official* West Indies In Australia

[aussie]

So likely XI..

Gayle
Morton
Simmons
Deonarine
Bravo
Pollard
Smith
Ramdin
Miller
Rampaul
Roach

 

[shivfan]

Half the team of regular starters are injured....

 

[andyc]

Ouch, some huge injuries there for the Windies. Pity, they'd have quite a decent team otherwise.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Runako Morton to tear up.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hoping for Deonarine to shine. I really like the guy.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Pollard, Smith in WI squad to Australia


ODI squad:

1. Chris Gayle (Captain)
2. Dwayne Bravo (Vice Captain)
3. Narsingh Deonarine
4. Travis Dowlin
5. Runako Morton
6. Nikita Miller
7. Brendan Nash
8. Kieron Pollard
9. Denesh Ramdin
10. Ravi Rampaul
11. Kemar Roach
12. Darren Sammy
13. Lendl Simmons
14. Dwayne Smith
15. Gavin Tonge

That's a rubbish squad imo, doesn't give me hope at all , i mean what's the point of playing Sammy, Miller, Morton, Dowlin and Rampaul? they aren't the future of WI cricket at all as they are either too old (Dowlin and Morton) or not good enough (Miller, Rampaul, Sammy etc), glad to see Pollard and Deonarine in though, it's just a shame Darren Bravo and Barath didn't recover in time.

 

[Prince EWS]

Miller's actually gun IMO.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

That's a rubbish squad imo, doesn't give me hope at all , i mean what's the point of playing Sammy, Miller, Morton, Dowlin and Rampaul? they aren't the future of WI cricket at all as they are either too old (Dowlin and Morton) or not good enough (Miller, Rampaul, Sammy etc), glad to see Pollard and Deonarine in though, it's just a shame Darren Bravo and Barath didn't recover in time.

It's the best squad that West Indies can put forward right now. Unless you're aware of some amazing depth in the Caribbean that no one else is.

And Miller > Benn. Mohammed a better OD spinner though.

 

[aussie]

Yea thats the best squad WI could put out given the injuries indeed. They wil definately challenge in the T20s..

 

[WindieWeathers]

It's the best squad that West Indies can put forward right now. Unless you're aware of some amazing depth in the Caribbean that no one else is.

And Miller > Benn. Mohammed a better OD spinner though.

You still dissing Benn after his performance against the Aussies? you can claim "Miller is better" but the reality is he hasn't taken his chances when he's had them, i mean even Deonarine in his one test thus far done better than him with the ball imo, as for your other question, i just feel we'd be better off giving some of the youngsters some top level experience instead of playing the same old faces that will fail us again, someone like Permpaul may have been a better bet than Miller imo, Pascal also could have got a chance.

 

[Beamer]

Miller's ODI stats from his 20 matches:

Batting average of 28 at a strikerate of 82.56

Bowling average of 36.70 with an econ rate of 4.51

Benn's ODI stats from his 11 matches:

Batting average of 10 at a strikerate of 83.33

Bowling average of 71.50 with an econ rate of 4.82

As you can see, in this format Miller is streets ahead and a worthy pick.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

You still dissing Benn after his performance against the Aussies?

Sulieman Benn had two decent performance against Australia. And he lacked penetration when the conditions truly suited a spinner in the second Test, with a match to win. He may look the part sometimes, or look like he should fit the part, but the reality is that he's a very, very ordinary and nonthreatening bowler the majority of the time.

His FC bowling average has gone up about 5 points since his Test debut, because he just does not take wickets. You don't pick a specialist spinner to tie up an end in Tests, and in ODIs it'd be great if Benn even did that much.

you can claim "Miller is better" but the reality is he hasn't taken his chances when he's had them

What chances? Miller has played one Test and bowled 22 overs in it. Benn has averaged more than 28 overs per innings! The fact is that, to date, Miller has outbowled Benn by an unreal margin in the same domestic competition. Say what you want about the quality of opposition, but Miller is getting those batsmen out at almost 10 runs cheaper, a lot faster, and with greater economy.

i mean even Deonarine in his one test thus far done better than him with the ball imo

Yep, Deonarine who bowled more overs in one innings than Miller got in 2. And with the help of 2 wickets gifted to him. Literally gifted.

as for your other question, i just feel we'd be better off giving some of the youngsters some top level experience instead of playing the same old faces that will fail us again, someone like Permpaul may have been a better bet than Miller imo, Pascal also could have got a chance.

Pascal has done nothing to deserve selection, except bowl expensively in a weak domestic competition. Rushing players in based on talent doesn't often work out for West Indies. And I'm not convinced Pascal is that talented anyway. Would love to be proved wrong though.

As for Permaul, Miller is far more deserving of a prolonged run before they take a look at him. Miller has not been the failure that you seem think. Dave Mohammed is more deserving than either of them though.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Sulieman Benn had two decent performance against Australia. And he lacked penetration when the conditions truly suited a spinner in the second Test, with a match to win. He may look the part sometimes, or look like he should fit the part, but the reality is that he's a very, very ordinary and nonthreatening bowler the majority of the time.

But it's not just about his latest performance in Australia is it? what about his spell against England at Sabina Park? you can say that he's "none-threatening and very ordinary" but at the end of the day since his game has stepped up a level the man has literally destroyed two of the top test teams in the game today, and yes he might not have won us the game in that important 2nd test in Arustralia but from what i remember Hauritz didn't get anywhere near a wicket either so maybe the pitch wasn't as good as you think.

What chances? Miller has played one Test and bowled 22 overs in it. Benn has averaged more than 28 overs per innings! The fact is that, to date, Miller has outbowled Benn by an unreal margin in the same domestic competition. Say what you want about the quality of opposition, but Miller is getting those batsmen out at almost 10 runs cheaper, a lot faster, and with greater economy.

To me the guy is just like Jaggs!!.. it's all good taking wickets galore in the domestic game but we all know it's many levels below the international scene, Nikita just didn't look threatening at all in the test match he played and he hasn't really been all that great in the one dayers either, he done ok against Pakistan but that's it.

Yep, Deonarine who bowled more overs in one innings than Miller got in 2. And with the help of 2 wickets gifted to him. Literally gifted.

"Gifted" or not Deonarine has more wickets in test cricket than Miller, and he caused more problems imo.

Pascal has done nothing to deserve selection, except bowl expensively in a weak domestic competition. Rushing players in based on talent doesn't often work out for West Indies. And I'm not convinced Pascal is that talented anyway. Would love to be proved wrong though.

I agree sometimes rushing them can have an adverse effect like it did with Marshall but then on the other hand look at Barath and Roach? personally i think Darren Bravo and Pollard should be in the test side right now because they are only gonna get better with experience.

As for Permaul, Miller is far more deserving of a prolonged run before they take a look at him. Miller has not been the failure that you seem think. Dave Mohammed is more deserving than either of them though.

Dave has had his time man, it's time for some new blood, Kavesh Kantasingh for CCC looks a very hot prospect right now, one could argue he's been better than Miller in this current domestic season.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

But it's not just about his latest performance in Australia is it? what about his spell against England at Sabina Park? you can say that he's "none-threatening and very ordinary" but at the end of the day since his game has stepped up a level the man has literally destroyed two of the top test teams in the game today

Amazingly enough, you quoted the middle of my response to ask that question, when the first and last parts answer it...

"He may look the part sometimes" and then "very ordinary and nonthreatening bowler the majority of the time"

Benn took 27 wickets in 13 innings last year. And 16 of those came in 4 innings.

and yes he might not have won us the game in that important 2nd test in Arustralia but from what i remember Hauritz didn't get anywhere near a wicket either so maybe the pitch wasn't as good as you think

No, maybe Hauritz didn't bowl very well either. Anyone watching the game could see that the pitch was offering assistance. Perhaps the turn was slow, but Benn also went through the motions much more than he should have. It's all well and good to create pressure, but I'm certain (for example) Swann would have taken wickets in those conditions.

To me the guy is just like Jaggs!!.. it's all good taking wickets galore in the domestic game but we all know it's many levels below the international scene, Nikita just didn't look threatening at all in the test match he played and he hasn't really been all that great in the one dayers either, he done ok against Pakistan but that's it.

Calling Jaggernauth a failure is even more ridiculous than calling Miller one. Jaggernauth bowled almost all of his overs in Test cricket on day one of his debut Test match against a strong Australian lineup. There's no way a spinner can be fairly judged on that basis.

Miller has looked much better in ODIs than Benn, for one, and has not had a chance in Tests. There have been many times when Benn has looked as ordinary or more ordinary than Miller and Jaggernauth did on debut. Hey Benn took 3 wickets for 199 runs on debut. Then 4-197 in his second match, 1-103 in his 3rd.

"Gifted" or not Deonarine has more wickets in test cricket than Miller, and he caused more problems imo.

No, that's because he's bowled much more than Miller has. To say that Deonarine is a better spinner than Miller is completely bizarre...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I agree sometimes rushing them can have an adverse effect like it did with Marshall but then on the other hand look at Barath and Roach? personally i think Darren Bravo and Pollard should be in the test side right now because they are only gonna get better with experience.

Barath had 20odd FC matches behind him when he debuted. He had an average well over 40, an excellent conversion rate, and a hundred against a touring England side. He was picked on results, not potential.

Roach was picked on potential, but for every Roach there are 10 Marshalls. That's a fact.

Dave has had his time man, it's time for some new blood, Kavesh Kantasingh for CCC looks a very hot prospect right now, one could argue he's been better than Miller in this current domestic season.

Get off it. Mohammed has almost twice as many ODI wickets as Benn in 4 less matches. 1/3 of the average and almost 2 runs better economy.

In domestic OD he has 5 wickets less than Benn in 23 less matches. His economy rate is better and he's a good 13 runs cheaper per wicket. How in the world is Benn more qualified to play ODI cricket than Mohammed? And how in the world, with 10 wickets @ 23.50 in 7 matches, has Mohammed failed to take his chances? As far as I can tell, he hasn't gotten a proper chance. And it's a shame.

As for Kantasingh v Miller, the latter has 1 more wicket than he does in the same number of matches. And if you're looking at domestic performances, hey, don't overlook the guy who's been taking wickets for fun for seasons now. Especially not in favour of the guy who averaged 30 before this season.

 

[Nate]

Miller's actually gun IMO.

This.

 

[Top_Cat]

I've just backed a young player and hope he has at least one good game so I can say I backed him from the beginning.

Yup.

That said, Miller at least has pretty awesome domestic numbers. And a hell of a glower.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Just to clarify, I don't rate Miller as anything special in OD cricket. He's better than Benn though.

 

[aussie]

Miller's ODI stats from his 20 matches:

Batting average of 28 at a strikerate of 82.56

Bowling average of 36.70 with an econ rate of 4.51

Benn's ODI stats from his 11 matches:

Batting average of 10 at a strikerate of 83.33

Bowling average of 71.50 with an econ rate of 4.82

As you can see, in this format Miller is streets ahead and a worthy pick.

Based on seeing Both Benn & Miller i'd say they are about comparable as bowlers when it comes to T20s & ODIs. Miller the better batsman though haa..

 

[WindieWeathers]

Amazingly enough, you quoted the middle of my response to ask that question, when the first and last parts answer it...

"He may look the part sometimes" and then "very ordinary and nonthreatening bowler the majority of the time"

Benn took 27 wickets in 13 innings last year. And 16 of those came in 4 innings.

"sometimes" isn't stating the facts though, "sometimes" could mean he's only decent against weak opposition, but the facts suggest he's damn good against TOP opposition which you seem to be ignoring.

No, maybe Hauritz didn't bowl very well either. Anyone watching the game could see that the pitch was offering assistance. Perhaps the turn was slow, but Benn also went through the motions much more than he should have. It's all well and good to create pressure, but I'm certain (for example) Swann would have taken wickets in those conditions.

This isn't about Swann, my only argument is BOTH spinners didn't get anywhere on the day, so you can't just put the blame on Benn, and even though he didn't take a wicket he pilled the pressure on from what i remember without getting what he deserved.

Calling Jaggernauth a failure is even more ridiculous than calling Miller one. Jaggernauth bowled almost all of his overs in Test cricket on day one of his debut Test match against a strong Australian lineup. There's no way a spinner can be fairly judged on that basis.

And what on earth has Jaggs done in domestic cricket lately? even youngsters like Devandre Bishoo and Gavin Wallace totally killed him in the last domestic season and he's being out bowled in this latest one too.

Miller has looked much better in ODIs than Benn, for one, and has not had a chance in Tests. There have been many times when Benn has looked as ordinary or more ordinary than Miller and Jaggernauth did on debut. Hey Benn took 3 wickets for 199 runs on debut. Then 4-197 in his second match, 1-103 in his 3rd.

I don't believe Benn's performances in the one dayers against Newzealand were any worse than what Miller has done to be honest, you seem to be painting this picture of Miller being some "great one dayer" or something when the truth is he hasn't done anything special thus far.

No, that's because he's bowled much more than Miller has. To say that Deonarine is a better spinner than Miller is completely bizarre...

And WHY do you think Deonarine had more chances than him? i mean lets be realistic here if both Jaggs and Miller were as good as you seem to be suggesting don't you think they would have been given more chances? Dyson has gone and yet they never got anywhere near the latest test side, that speaks volumes.