County and State Cricket Draft

[Flyonthewall]

With the one overseas player rule, what about players who played both as a local and an overseas player.

At the risk of sounding blinfingly obvious here, if they played for a club as an overseas player then they're selected as an overseas player and the same applies for local players. Kolpaksaren't allowed either by the way.

And Michael, yes, I'm allowing sides from any country, so you can have Wellington.

Updated teams list:

Flyonthewall-Gloucestershire
Metallics2006-New South Wales
Blakus-Yorkshire
Morgieb-Surrey
HeathDavisSpeed-Essex
Pothas-Hampshire
Simon-Queensland
Eds-Kent
Michaelf7777777-Wellington
Somerset-Somerset

Good stuff so far, ten down and two to go, however I have got a couple more changes I'd like to make to the draft to rectify a few of the flaw so with any luck, and two more applicants, the draft will start in a day or two.

 

[Pothas]

At the risk of sounding blinfingly obvious here, if they played for a club as an overseas player then they're selected as an overseas player and the same applies for local players. Kolpaksaren't allowed either by the way.

Am assuming I am alowed foreign born players that played for England though? (Better be or my side is in trouble)

 

[fredfertang]

No Lanky

I'd best volunteer then

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Just wondering what would happen with an overseas player who has since become England qualified since playing for a particular county.

 

[fredfertang]

Just wondering what would happen with an overseas player who has since become England qualified since playing for a particular county.

Highly relevant question given that Proctershire are involved - I wonder what the answer will be

 

[Flyonthewall]

Highly relevant question given that Proctershire are involved - I wonder what the answer will be

Just wondering what would happen with an overseas player who has since become England qualified since playing for a particular county.

Heath first-If they played as an overseas player for the county at the time, then yes they can be selected as an overseas player.

Fred-to be fair, Procter isn't Gloucestershire's only great overseas player, but my point from above stands I think.

Pothas-Yes, foreign-born players who played test cricket for England can count. After all they played as full-fledged Englishmen during their playing time. However, say, Barry Richards, would still count as an overseas player.

Another addition I would like to make to the draft to make it less obvious/involve more research. I feel that it would be good if we based our selections entirely on the first-class record of the player for the specific county or state. This, as well as meaning that perhaps less obvious selection would join the sides, also eliminates the possibility of such selections as Gilchrist for NSW, because while Gilchrist may be one of the eleven greatset players to have played for NSW (questionalbe, of course), he certainly isn't one of the eleven greatest contributors to the state as a side. Hope that makes reasonable sense.

As I would like to crack on with the draft, if a twelfth applicant doesn't come forward by around half past three tomorrow afternoon, the draft will start with eleven and there will be one less round.

 

[fredfertang]

But could you, for example, pick Procter as English because he did become England qualified in the end didn't he?

Stuart Law likewise

 

[Flyonthewall]

Fred, to be honest, I think for the sake of simplicity it's best to count Procter as an overseas player, being as he is a South African international. Same with Stuart Law, he's an Australian international, so counts as an overseas player for the purposes of this draft (and indeed was while he played for Essex and possibly even Lancashire-I'm not sure). Foreign-born players who represented England would count as English however. (pretty obvious point really!)

 

[morgieb]

Saqlain Mushtaq likewise.

EDIT: Just read flyonthewall's post. Still, I'll probably recruit him anyway.

 

[NUFAN]

Good move flyonthewall for making it the actual contribution for the state. However, in some ways I think this is going to make it even less people going for the same player!

Is there anyway that you could spice it up a little more, by making it that you are allowed an "import player" from one of the other nominated counties/states as well as an overseas player.

It's just a suggestion mate.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

But could you, for example, pick Procter as English because he did become England qualified in the end didn't he?

Stuart Law likewise

This is what I was getting at. It seems unfair to exclude players who would actually be eligible to play for England. Stuey Law, Andy Flower spring to mind for Essex. Probably Ken McEwen as well.

 

[Pothas]

This is what I was getting at. It seems unfair to exclude players who would actually be eligible to play for England. Stuey Law, Andy Flower spring to mind for Essex. Probably Ken McEwen as well.

Yeah we have a few at Hampshire, Roy Marshall certainly. I am assuming Pietersen and Smith who actually played for England will be allowed so see no reason why someone like Law should not be.

 

[morgieb]

Similar Saqlain with Surrey.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Agreed. I think if you were eligible to play for England whilst playing for a particular county, then you shouldn't count as overseas...

Hence...

If I picked Stuey Law, he'd be an overseas player, as he always played for Essex as an overseas pro.

However, if Fredfertang picked Law, he should be considered a local player as he was eligible for England whilst playing for Lanca****e.

 

[S.P. Fleming]

If theres still space ill be in. S.P. Fleming - Wellington

 

[morgieb]

If theres still space ill be in. S.P. Fleming - Wellington

Wellington's taken, but there is room, FWIW.

 

[Somerset]

After reviewing the rules on selecting players, could I change my nominated side to Barbados? (assuming sides outside of England and Australia can be used)

 

[bryce]

bryce - Northern Districts

 

[Flyonthewall]

Right, just quick one here guys. On second thoughts, I do actually agree with Heath's logic for these matters that if they represented their side as an overseas player then they should count, if they're England-qualified then not. I'm reluctantto include Kolpak players though, just players who have actually claimed British citizenship. Quite what this means for Gloucestershire, I'm not sure. Also to point out that we now have a "full lid" as such, in that the 12 spaces have been allocated-and yes, Somerset, I can change your team to Barbados. SP Fleming I will place you on first standby (preferably with a team other than Wellington...sorry) should anyone quit the draft.

 

[Flyonthewall]

Good move flyonthewall for making it the actual contribution for the state. However, in some ways I think this is going to make it even less people going for the same player!

Is there anyway that you could spice it up a little more, by making it that you are allowed an "import player" from one of the other nominated counties/states as well as an overseas player.

It's just a suggestion mate.

Hi NUFAN

It's an interesting suggestion and one that I did consider incorporating into the draft. The other idea I had, which I feel would be more interesting (you may disagree) was that a player chooses to ban a player from another county/state (once a player from a particular county/state has been chosen, then you must choose another county). I will be holding this as the first round, seperate from the other twelve rounds which will be team selection.

Anyway, the complete list of participants and their order of first round selection:
Metallics2006-New South Wales
Somerset-Barbados
Blakus-Yorkshire
Morgieb-Surrey
Bryce-Northern Districts
Michaelf7777777-Wellington
Pothas-Hampshire
HeathDavisSpeed-Essex
Flyonthewall-Gloucestershire
Fredfertang-Lancashire
Simon-Queensland
Eds-Kent

So Metallics2006 goes first. You have 12 hours to make your choice of banned player. Obviously if he gets there quicker than that we can speed along.

Just to clarify on the national-qualified players, if they represented their county/state as an overseas player, then they are selected as an overseas player. However if they played for most/all of their career with a particular side as a national-qualfied player, then they shall count as that. Only one overseas player and no Kolpaks. The banned player choices should be interesting, I think.