Why were Waqar Younis & Azhar Mahmood punished?

[Burgey]

Why?

 

[wpdavid]

(re. Vaughan) Not so sure he really was pushed. He was given a central contract at the end of our 2008 summer when he'd done v little on the field to justify such a show of faith.

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread too much, but was thinking he'd be more like Hussain in retirement. No truck with cant, but not a **** with it either.

Although Vaughan & Hussain have made pretty much the same point regarding the current furore. I've quie enjoyed his commentary on TMS tbf.

 

[zaremba]

Ok Sanz, I have woken up this morning to find another 6 posts from you on this topic, largely seeking to attack me. As you can imagine I disagree, profoundly, with very much that you have written. Although FTR I was of course wrong to say that Sachin had been found guilty of lifting the seam (I should have checked). Anyway I am going to resist the very strong temptation to prolong this by responding. And so I have heeded the advice of SJS over in another thread:

Finally!

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[flibbertyjibber]

There can be no other explanation for England's success in 05 other than ball tampering. It's completely incomprehensible that their team at that time could possibly have beaten that Australian team without resorting to cheating.

Jones? A bigger walking injury than Watto, suddenly bowls like Lillee (only slower and not as good), and later admitted to the tampering. Hoggard - a career of mediocrity suddenly turns around for one series. Even Harmison hit the pitch FFS. And Flintoff lasted a whole series, celebrated wickets in a way which would see any other player in the world censured and wasn't pissed for the whole summer. Even Giles took a wicket ffs, and Strauss, Trescothick and Pietersen scored some runs when it actually mattered.

Now, I grant you one or two of these things could be put down to coincidence, but for all of them to happen at the same time is itself conclusive proof that they were up to no good

Not so bad in 09, because we were even more ******** than you guys.

How about the fact that we were just a better side in that series.Get over it you bitter convict.

Anyway the Aussies must be cheating now as you have our bowling coach who taught us how to reverse swing the ball.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Doubt it will change and that is because when members like Brumby make statements about him for what many believe is a very valid point. :-

Aside from the current issue it's rather sad how quickly Mick has gone from test captain to niggardly curmudgeon. Shaping up to be a worthy successor to Messers Trueman, Close and Boycott. Thought he'd have some interesting things to say, but has gone straight to embittered rent-a-quote.

The crucial first five words seems to have been wasted on you. I was making a more general point about Vaughan's keennees to stick the boot in since his retirement, like questionning Trott's commitment because he happened to say "hi" to some of the oppo he'd played with previously & how readily he agreed with Langer's infamous Ashes dossier.

Although Vaughan & Hussain have made pretty much the same point regarding the current furore. I've quie enjoyed his commentary on TMS tbf.

I suppose I am more going by his written output, tbf. Could be being a tad harsh as I hear more of what Nasser has to say thanks to Sky.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Dire posting.

Was Billy Doctrove racist? Well Billy Doctrove doesn't really fit into your conspiracy theory does he, which is why he tends to get forgotten about by those pushing this "conspiracy against Pakistan / subcontinental teams" line.

And at Cape Town, I've no doubt that match referee Roshan Mahanama only decided that there was no case to answer against Broad and Anderson because of his white supremacist bias.

Its not a conspiracy theory.Whether you believe it or not,its reality.Doctrove did it for the first time whereas Hair has a a very long history of targetting only asian players.And I'm not the only one who believes him too be a racist,there are millions of others well.

 

[GIMH]

The Trott thing was a little overblown; he never came out and did an interview about it, it's just a passage in his book where I think he had misinterpreted the whole situation tbh

 

[Neil Pickup]

Its not a conspiracy theory.Whether you believe it or not,its reality.Doctrove did it for the first time whereas Hair has a a very long history of targetting only asian players.And I'm not the only one who believes him too be a racist,there are millions of others well.

I didn't know Grant Flower was Asian.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

People keep saying that X/Y/Z player was not punished because no one reorted.If thats the case,why were Waqar Younis & Azhar Mahmood punished in 2000?

 

[BhupinderSingh]

I didn't know Grant Flower was Asian.

 

[Burgey]

How about the fact that we were just a better side in that series.Get over it you bitter convict.

Anyway the Aussies must be cheating now as you have our bowling coach who taught us how to reverse swing the ball.

T_C to provide the sarchasm.jpeg please.

 

[Top_Cat]

T_C to provide the sarchasm.jpeg please.

Sigh, just the 'I didn't do it' boy to you.

 

[honestbharani]

Oh Jono, really. The intention has to be relevant surely...

Neither did Sachin.. That is why they are comparable...

 

[honestbharani]

Yes but the consistency that's required is consistency at a pretty high level: ie are the decision-makers in each case applying the same broad principles?

It's not a question of saying (as you did) that because Tendulkar was banned for one match for lifting the seam of the ball 10 years ago, therefore Anderson should have received the same penalty for removing a flap of loose leather from the ball at Cape Town.

Personally, I don't think the cases are the same at all. Tendulkar was found guilty of raising the seam on the ball. Now, I agree that Jimmy Anderson should have passed the ball to the umpire in order to get the umpire to remove the flap of leather with his little scissors. But no matter how nicely Tendulkar asked, no umpire would ever have agreed to lift the seam on the ball for him.

No he wasn't.. He was cleaning the seam using his nails just as Anderson was, right?

 

[honestbharani]

Except that he did it during the Test... a Test which England then proceeded to escape from with a draw

Here is the deal:


Sachin did just as much or as little as Anderson did here and he was punished. Anderson wasn't. People are going to say that he is getting away because he is an Englishmen as long as the laws are tightened to be the same for everyone. The enforcers ARE applying different levels of tolerance for Aussies, Saffies and Poms compared to the rest of the players. It is obvious if you have watched cricket for any length of time...

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah, it always is. That doesn't mean we can't call the people who draw the card out for being ****ing stupid though.

Juz like we can call out guys who seem to live in denial that all cricketers are being treated same today to be ****ing stupid???????????

 

[honestbharani]

Why?

coz they do it too?

 

[honestbharani]

@ Most of the Aussie and English posters here so far:


Living in Denialand.. Heard it is a gr8 place???

 

[Burgey]

@ Most of the Aussie and English posters here so far:


Living in Denialand.. Heard it is a gr8 place???

Seems a happier place than Misery-Conspiracyland. How's the weather there?

 

[honestbharani]

Seems a happier place than Misery-Conspiracyland. How's the weather there?

Extremely healthy as we have clear skies and the rays of FACTS fall directly upon us and not lost in the clouds of bias and defensiveness.