Should the ICC drop the two bouncer law?

[GIMH]

If anyone wants to know why cricket will never take off in the States, this thread would be a good starting place

 

[silentstriker]

Would see some massive beatdowns when a 5'7 moron from the slips tries to act tough and talk about a 6'6 batsman's mother. Would take cricket to new heights.

 

[Flem274*]

With all this talk of Anderson to Martin bouncers, you have to question Andersons brain.

A bouncer won't get Martin out, and he's so inept that a straight delivery on the stumps will get him, even if the previous delivery was not a bouncer to soften him up.

So what was the point? A little bit of ego I suspect. "I can hit you because you're so hopeless". Wow, you can bounce Chris Martin, you must be a real man.

 

[stephen]

YouTube - Dennis Lillee vs Vivian Richards

This is impossible under the current laws, which is a real shame.

 

[Prince EWS]

Maybe a specific tailender is more vulnerable to a few bouncers and then a yorker. Or maybe the opposing captain is Bedi and he'll declare his innings 5 down.

Haha I've never seen that scorecard before, awesome game.

 

[GIMH]

With all this talk of Anderson to Martin bouncers, you have to question Andersons brain.

A bouncer won't get Martin out, and he's so inept that a straight delivery on the stumps will get him, even if the previous delivery was not a bouncer to soften him up.

So what was the point? A little bit of ego I suspect. "I can hit you because you're so hopeless". Wow, you can bounce Chris Martin, you must be a real man.

I agree with this, it was just pointless

 

[BoyBrumby]

I agree with this, it was just pointless

Must admit I don't remember the incident. Was there any history to it; had Martin bounced Jimmy previously? If not it seems a bit out of character; one of the occasional criticisms Anderson gets is that he lacks a fast bowlers hint of devil.

 

[GIMH]

I'll dig up the posts later on and see if there's anything telling in there. Xmas Hols start at 3 which gives me lots of time to do pointless things like that

 

[Jakester1288]

I haven't read any of this thread but...http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/39379-bouncers.html....hold on, just realised that's increasing it by 1, not dropping the rule.

 

[Richard]

Haha I've never seen that scorecard before, awesome game.

Doesn't sound like it from the accounts I've read. "Unusual game" would do "awesome game" certainly wouldn't. Was a bloodbath apparently. If the Bouncer didn't get you, the Beamer would. India were going to lose that game come what may and I've some sympathy at Bedi's declaration, think he was making a point which it was worthwhile to make.

 

[Richard]

YouTube - Dennis Lillee vs Vivian Richards

This is impossible under the current laws, which is a real shame.

You can state it as many times as you want - it isn't impossible at all. Of the six deliveries in that over, only three (at best) were what is now limited to two an over. I've seen far more sustained short-pitched attacks than that be carried-out without a single wide\no-ball call, they just took more skill than Lillee was requried to demonstrate there - the opening delivery of that over especially has no right being aught but a wide in my book.

It is of course now impossible in ODIs, and that's in my book quite right.

 

[Jono]

Normally I disagree with SS, but I'm with him on this one.

Cricket is a totally different game to the pre-equipment era.

If bowling 2 bouncers and a yorker doesn't work to dismiss Ashish Nehra, then why can't the bowler bowl 3 more and set up the tailender for the next over he has to face?

I believe in sportsmanship, and generally SS doesn't understand what that means, but I think he's been harshly dealt with in this thread. It's not 1970 anymore.

 

[silentstriker]

IMO you should aim for the neck that's unprotected, and any free areas that you can hit to disable the batsman so he can't bowl at you. Keep going until the ump gives you a warning.

Just in case people were thinking about giving my opinion a second look based on Jono's post, I just wanted to clarify that any goodwill is probably misdirected

 

[Sanz]

YouTube - Dennis Lillee vs Vivian Richards

This is impossible under the current laws, which is a real shame.

That is Boring Dennis Lillee did get Richards but it was more like Richards was bored than what Ian Chappell and other commentators would have you believe.

On the other hand this is Brilliant YouTube - Michael Holding gets annoyed at Brian Close

 

[Sanz]

Completely with SS on this one.

 

[Richard]

Cricket is a totally different game to the pre-equipment era.

However much the chance of injury may have reduced from potentially life-threatening to merely potentially very nasty, it is still IMO easily sufficiently high to make bowling short deliveries at those who lack the ability to defend themselves unacceptable.

For me an Umpire has a duty to tell a bowler to stop the moment he bowls a single short ball at a clearly hopeless batsman. I don't see any good reason to tell him to stop against batsmen who have enough ability to defend themselves, but I do agree with the strict rulings that stop bowlers banging it in any old where thus being able to bowl guaranteed dot-balls without requiring much skill.

 

[Sanz]

For me an Umpire has a duty to tell a bowler to stop the moment he bowls a single short ball at a clearly hopeless batsman.

I really do not understand why those hopeless batsmen should have that privilege. Should the umpires also instruct the batsmen to stop playing their shots every time there is a fielder at forward short leg ?

 

[nightprowler10]

Very interesting debate going on regarding bouncers to tail enders. Like Jono I never agree with SS and his take on sportsmanship but I'm with him here all the way. As a viewer if I saw my team's quicks struggling to get a number 11 out with yorkers, length balls and short pitched stuff, I'd be furious if they didn't try bouncers. Mind you, I would support the complete opposite if there wasn't as much protection available to batsmen these days.

On the other hand this is Brilliant YouTube - Michael Holding gets annoyed at Brian Close

Haha, I remember that being posted before and C_C suggesting Brian Close was humiliated.

 

[Richard]

I really do not understand why those hopeless batsmen should have that privilege. Should the umpires also instruct the batsmen to stop playing their shots every time there is a fielder at forward short leg ?

No, there is no law of cricket which says that a short-leg fielder must be placed - it's entirely optional. There is however a law which states that all eleven batsman must bat barring a declaration.

 

[Richard]

Haha, I remember that being posted before and C_C suggesting Brian Close was humiliated.

It's been posted many times, it's an infamous piece of action. C_C has also posted much nonsensical stuff, including the idea that Close couldn't get himself out if he wanted to, thus failing to realise that a batsman can get out any time he wants to by treading on his stumps.