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*Official* England in South Africa

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Looked like a fair enough n/o to me. Because it seamed heavily from a full length the angle the ball was travelling at was taking it further down leg than it looks the first time you see it.
Was pinged straight in front of the stumps; the ball had next to no distance to travel. It was exactly the kind of erroneous decision we saw upheld in the Windies the first time England were exposed to the review system.

As Mr P said, it wasn't just grazing leg either.

Baffling, IMHO. Not often I agree with Botham (something of a point of principle, tbh), but can see why he was bemused.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Strauss nicks one that straightens from around the wicket.

Why on earth didn't Australia bowl to him there at all during the Ashes? He's a quality batsman, but it's by far the weakest area of his game.
I would tend to think AUS didn't bowl at him there since none of Hilfenhaus/Johnson/Siddle had/has the ability to make the ball leave the left-handers like how Morkel got him.

Technically the bowler than can possibly do it in the AUS side now Bollinger.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
I think there is a STRONG possibility Anderson/Onions could own Smith this series. His vulnerability to inswinger (although he is very strong on his pads) than Hoggard exposed in 2004 & Lee 2005/06 is very much there. Come one Englanddd!!!
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Was pinged straight in front of the stumps; the ball had next to no distance to travel. It was exactly the kind of erroneous decision we saw upheld in the Windies the first time England were exposed to the review system.

As Mr P said, it wasn't just grazing leg either.

Baffling, IMHO. Not often I agree with Botham (something of a point of principle, tbh), but can see why he was bemused.
As I said earlier in the thread that's a problem with the current system, there is no allowance for how far the ball has to travel from the point of impact to the stumps.

Someone could be halfway down the track and as long as it fits with the usual lbw rules and is going on to hit a significant enough portion of the stumps then it will be given out on review (or similarly padding up to Murali miles outside off). On the other hand you could be hit on the back leg a foot in front of the stumps and if it's only half knocking the stump over it will be not out when the bowling side call for a review.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Think Prior moving to leg didn't do the appeal many favours. Must have put some doubt in the umpires mind.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Just saw the De Villiers review. Pffft. Looked stone dead in real time and Hawkeye seemed to confirm. Honestly can't see how it wasn't overturned, even allowing for the margin of error.
The onfield umpire should have given that out, but as he didn't it was too close to overturn. Had it been given out it would have remained out on review.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
As I said earlier in the thread that's a problem with the current system, there is no allowance for how far the ball has to travel from the point of impact to the stumps.

Someone could be halfway down the track and as long as it fits with the usual lbw rules and is going on to hit a significant enough portion of the stumps then it will be given out on review (or similarly padding up to Murali miles outside off). On the other hand you could be hit on the back leg a foot in front of the stumps and if it's only half knocking the stump over it will be not out when the bowling side call for a review.
I disagree and I do so because of the way in which balls clipping the stumps have a decision kept not out if it is reviewed by the fielding side. For example, batsman gets big stride, it is given not out, fielding team reviews and it is clipping the stumps and so the original decision stays. If the big stride was not done, then the original decision would have been out and so he would have been out.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Baffling, IMHO. Not often I agree with Botham (something of a point of principle, tbh), but can see why he was bemused.
On the topic of Botham. Anyone else amazed that he looks healthier, better and stronger than he did 20 years ago?
 

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
On the topic of Botham. Anyone else amazed that he looks healthier, better and stronger than he did 20 years ago?
Yes I wouldn't have expected it based on how he looked at the end of his playing career - almost looks like he could still do a job - lifestyle issues no doubt
 

Quaggas

State Captain
What's the weather for tomorrow? I have no rain for tomorrow, showers Monday on yahoo BTW, amusing from Cricinfo since summer T-storms last 15 minutes on the Highveldt

"7.00 pm [Saturday 19th] Gnasher, our man at the ground, has this rather interesting update: "Here's something for England fans to cling to, there is a massive storm just approaching the ground. Fork lightning coming down and the wind has really got up. Looks like the end of the world out there.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
On the topic of Botham. Anyone else amazed that he looks healthier, better and stronger than he did 20 years ago?
Combo of grandkids and the charity walks, for mine. Always seems to shed quite a lot of beef (sorry :ph34r:) when he's pounding the highways and byways.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
What's his rationale? They were close? Hope he was laughed out of the comm box. If they're that close we shouldn't be referring them IMHO. If one of the umps drops a major bollock now we've no recourse.
I never really explained myself very well before but it seems to have been covered off since. I think I agree with him. In any instance like the three we saw today where it was a case of 'on field umpire's decision stands' rather than the referral being wrong, it would make sense for the team to not lose a referral - same as they don't if it's a no-ball UIMM.

Anyway. Could be a tense day tomorrow. Unless he carries his bat there aren't going to be any Jimmeh heroics so we'll be relying on someone else to do the spilling-drink-onto-gloves act.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I never really explained myself very well before but it seems to have been covered off since. I think I agree with him. In any instance like the three we saw today where it was a case of 'on field umpire's decision stands' rather than the referral being wrong, it would make sense for the team to not lose a referral - same as they don't if it's a no-ball UIMM.

Anyway. Could be a tense day tomorrow. Unless he carries his bat there aren't going to be any Jimmeh heroics so we'll be relying on someone else to do the spilling-drink-onto-gloves act.
Now I've actually seen the incident I must admit my flabber is well and truly gasted. For me it's the kind of decision that makes the review system farcical. The umpire got it wrong but the decision was upheld. Why? Because it wasn't that wrong? Either we should use the technology properly or not at all.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Haha, I come to expect these things in cricket.

There were two of them IIRC? (plus a third that was given out and therefore upheld, lulz)
 

Cruxdude

International Debutant
If you guys are talking about the one at 135/4. I just saw the replay and it seemed that less than half the ball was hitting the stumps. It makes sense with the rule.
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
Now I've actually seen the incident I must admit my flabber is well and truly gasted. For me it's the kind of decision that makes the review system farcical. The umpire got it wrong but the decision was upheld. Why? Because it wasn't that wrong? Either we should use the technology properly or not at all.
Fairly sure there was a similar one in our first innings batting where the same thing happened, ball was hitting outside of leg and was umpires call (which was originally not out). Can't remember the batsman, might have been Swann.
 

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