The CW50 - No.6

[Goughy]

Hard to disagree with that. But did the all conquering Australian side need Gilchrist more than Zimbabwe did Flower or England did Knott for that matter ? Debatable.

Zimbabwe needed Streak more than WI needed Marshall.

What makes Gilchrists input so vital is that his role and talents enabled an already good side to possibly be the best ever. That type of upgrade is rare and when combined with his personal record, team success, his intent with the bat and his attitude both on and off the field separates him from the others by a pretty considerable margin.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Zimbabwe needed Streak more than WI needed Marshall.

What next ? Kenya needs Tikolo more than Aus needed Bradman ? Flower and Gilly are of the same ilk. Do I take it that you consider Streak to be as good as Marshall ?

 

[Uppercut]

No offence, but you've missed the point by so much you're making a bit of a fool out of yourself.

 

[silentstriker]

Do I take it that you consider Streak to be as good as Marshall ?

No, he doesn't. Bradman would be more important to Bangladesh than he would be to an all time Test XI. Surely, it is easy to see that, even with the same player.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

No, he doesn't. Bradman would be more important to Bangladesh than he would be to an all time Test XI. Surely, it is easy to see that, even with the same player.

Sorry, what was that for ? All I said was that if you have seven batsmen as good as the names mentioned above, then maybe a pure keeper would be more beneficial than a batsman-keeper. I do understand why someone would have Gilchrist in their all time XIs though.

 

[Prince EWS]

And in a world XI that has say Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Sobers, Chappell and Botham, would it need a batsmen-keeper or a keeper-batsman ? I would back the seven batsmen to score 400+ against any attack anywhere in the world. I would therefore go with a better keeper like Knott.

That's not really the point when people an all-time team though as you essentially ignore proper team balance issues. The idea should be to pick a team that you'd put out to take on a team of roughly equal strength - imagine a Martian eleven or something.

 

[Ikki]

Interesting... first i've heard of someone placing Gilchrist above Sachin... others i can see why you'd place ahead of him. Just thought it was intersting.. not having a go at you or anything.. lol
Wonder anyone else rates Gilchrist ahead of Sachin ?

I had Gilchrist at 12, quite a way ahead of Sachin at 18. In fact, in his era I have only Warne and McGrath higher.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I see Avacadabra is still wielding his magic.

 

[bagapath]

I had Gilchrist at 12, quite a way ahead of Sachin at 18. In fact, in his era I have only Warne and McGrath higher.

in his era murali is a much more important cricketer than gilchrist. even if you choose to leave out sachin and lara - you shouldnt, but if you leave them out - there is no way gilly can be deemd more important than murali.

and this is coming from someone who wanted to vote for gilly when we selected 25 greatest batsmen of all time.

 

[Ikki]

If there wasn't already a Warne, I'd have no problem with the above. But Gilchrist is in his own class as a wicketkeeper-batsman.

 

[G.I.Joe]

What do people make of Herbert Sutcliffe?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

He makes exceedingly good cakes.

 

[Pratters]

Avada Kedavara is also a multi of precam.

 

[GIMH]

I think Gilchrist was in my top five, certainly above Tendulkar anyway. Think I might have rated a couple of Aussies a little higher than others would do based on the mental scars they have left me with tbh

 

[thierry henry]

But Gilchrist is in his own class as a wicketkeeper-batsman.

Nah.

edit- ok, just bothered to actually read the thread, if you are going run the "Flower/Sanga aren't proper keeper/batsmen" argument than fair enough I guess.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Avada Kedavara is also a multi of precam.

Please refrain from throwing around accusations, thanks.

 

[Maximus0723]

Don't listen to vic he is precamb...


I mean common wtf has this forum become.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Wtf is wrong with people of this forum? I say Ponting is better than Lara and that Lilian dude says I am someone already banned and that I am trolling. I just say that Gilchrist has some competition in an all time team and again I am being accused of being someone else. If you are so averse to others' opinions, don't visit online forums.

 

[Matt79]

Yeah, sorry Avada. There are a couple of too-enthusastic detectives on the trail of a repeat offender troll. Anyone new, who starts posting a lot, and repeating opinions he mentioned gets the accusation now. Besides, Sir Alex is his current persona and he's largely behaving himself atm.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Wtf is wrong with people of this forum? I say Ponting is better than Lara and that Lilian dude says I am someone already banned and that I am trolling.

Saying Ponting is better than Lara has nothing to do with it. Your style was Precam at his worst and I still think you're him. It is however old news and not my problem.