BoyBrumby
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What's his rationale? They were close? Hope he was laughed out of the comm box. If they're that close we shouldn't be referring them IMHO. If one of the umps drops a major bollock now we've no recourse.
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*Official* England in South Africa
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Manee
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Botham is a ridiculously avid fanboy and can be quite petulant at times but he has a semblance of a point, if he was referring to the closeness of the referrals. In the event that a ball is hitting the stumps, but it is given not out because it is the onfield umpires call or there is a faint edge which cannot quite be proven with technology, then a fielding side is within their rights to make the referral and should therefore not be penalised for such. However, I do believe that if we are to have such a loophole, then teams should only be allowed one incorrect referral per innings.
Had a bit of a chaotic day so can only catch odd snippets of action; may I ask if Stuart Broad is carrying an injury of some sort? His pace is way down and I have seen him struggle to break 130kph on more than one occasion in his last spell.
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Manee
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I haven't seen either, either. I meant to say that if they were too close to call, then perhaps the referrals should have remained for future use.
Anyone interested in the Bell dismissal can see it here at 1:13 - it wasn't terrible, but it would have had to turn quite a long way, against the angle to have missed the stumps.
Manee
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Looks like a cracker, I really hope to see this one go down to the wire.
grecian
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Hmm, if that's not terrible, I'd want to know what is
Still not confident here, think Saffies already have enough, not sure if bowling them out would help us massively.
Neil Pickup
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It was blatant. We're not talking about those that are clipping the varnish with the edge of the ball. The seam was going to hit; that's way, way beyond the margin of accuracy (2.6mm) of Hawkeye.
Neil Pickup
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It wasn't terrible. It was something well beyond that. Heinous is the best one I can come up with right now. Or "career-ending". Wasn't as bad as Clarke's v Vettori though.Hmm, if that's not terrible, I'd want to know what is
Still not confident here, think Saffies already have enough, not sure if bowling them out would help us massively.
Prince EWS
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Well, there are actually three options the third umpire can come up with.
Batsman was out
Batsman was not out
Batsman was out technically but it's close and could possibly fall within the small margin of error, so we'll go with what the on-field umpire said
Botham was suggesting that, should the fielding captain refer a decision and the third option listed there come back, they should not lose their referral as they weren't conclusively wrong. That's what happened with the Swann one, UIMM.
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
Huh. Why wasn't the review upheld in that case? Curiouser and curiouser as Alice would have it.
chalky
International Debutant
Botham talks bollocks you could make a thread with just his stupid comments each day.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Hard to say. If South Africa play at 3 runs per over (their current rate is 2.96), getting bowled out very near the end of the day, then they could set England 345 on Day 5, something which could end in a draw.
TT Boy
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Miles away from getting that. Once one of these go and it is slogtime, even for Hash.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
I meant, it wasn't God-awful, scream from the houses because England have put a clincal ****** in to bat at number six - terrible, it was just a slight misjudgement based on a hint of drift which Harris got.Hmm, if that's not terrible, I'd want to know what is
Manee
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Or Clarke Vs James Franklin - that was terrible.
zaremba
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I'm not convinced that the margin of error for the predicted path of the ball is 2.6mm. I know that's what Gower keeps saying but my understanding is that this is the sort of margin of error Hawkeye themselves were talking about with regard to the tracking of the actual path of the ball.
Anyhow yes it looked clearly out but within the rules which both sides are playing to, (a) the correct decision was that the umpire's original decision should stand; (b) the referral was therefore unsuccessful; (c) the fielding team rightly lost a referral.
The system will undoubtedly be developed, expanded and refined as time goes by, and that's something I look forward to. At the moment, for very sensible reasons, it's set up pretty conservatively while everyone gets the hang of it.
