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**Official** Pakistan in New Zealand (3 tests)

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
As I had feared yesterday after the excellent performance from Gul, Asif and Aamer, the only way Pakistan could lose this test match was if their pathetic batsmen showed their true pathetic colours which unfortunately they do more often than not. I know many people will talk about the dropped catches, fantastic batting of Vettori and McCullum in the first innings, but frankly, 250 is a total they should have made today especially after bowling them out for 150 odd with the momentum on their side. Many will also blame Farhat, Fawad and Manzoor but I think the captain and so called best batsman needs to take most of the blame. With an inexperienced batting line up against a decent bowling attack with one genuine match winning fast bowler, the captain should have raised his hand and said "hang on, I'll go get that 100 today". This is why Yousuf will never be among the top 5 batsmen in my books..despite breaking that record, he is no where near the likes of Ponting, Kallis and Dravid, forget about Lara and Tendulkar.

I know that when it comes to Pakistan cricket, a lot is said about internal problems, external factors such as the clash between Younis and senior players, player power etc etc.
I dont know whether all that is true or not, I do not have any inside sources. However, I think we need to forget about those for a while and focus on cricketing factors for a change.
Pakistan's performance especially in test cricket outside their country has been pathetic to say the least over the last 3-4 years.
They have lost series in Australia, India, England, drew against a shoddy West Indies side, lost to Sri Lanka, and now facing a potential series defeat in New Zealand.
We do not have to look too further into it as the answer is right there staring at us in the face.

1) The inability of even the senior Pakistani batsman, regarded as the best in the country, the likes of Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan etc to score centuries, big scores overseas consistently.

2) The sub standard quality of the younger batsmen, mainly the openers Farhat, Manzoor, Butt, Jamshed and even the middle order ones like Faisal Iqbal, Fawad Alam etc. I think many of them will struggle to make it to the Bangladesh test side.

Pakistan have not won a test match against Australia for 13 years. They have lost each series 0-3 and many of those defeats were innings defeats which involved Pakistan getting bowled out for under 200 or sometimes even under 100.

This says a lot about the quality of its batting.
I know the likes of Mohammad Yousuf, Younis, Inzamam all average over 50 in test cricket but that has more to do with the runs they score on flat placid wickets. The moment the ball seams around a little bit, or there is one bowler who generates decent pace, they fall like nine pins even if the team is Ireland.

I think cricket administrators and fans should stop worrying about the external factors for a while and focus on the basics, the cricketing factors and maybe, just maybe when they tour Australia again in 2013/2014, they'll lose 1-2 instead of 0-3.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Don't really think we can afford to sacrifice a batsman.
I think we should scour the country for an all rounder if Elliot can't bowl 10 overs.

It is going to be a long summer and our spearhead won't last without some support.

Yovich has career batting average of 29.7 and bowling avg of 33 - but he getting kind of old in the tooth at 33. So he won't get picked.

Ideally though they will just force Elliot to bowl and he will pick up his game several notches beyond what we saw today.

On unrelated notes - Not so pleased with Dan's bowling in the 4th inning. Even though he got two tail end wickets to win the game. He couldn't settle in against the main batsman. Maybe in Dan's defence they planned to target him and to be positive. Anyways shouldn't be nit picking when we won.
 
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Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
2) The sub standard quality of the younger batsmen, mainly the openers Farhat, Manzoor, Butt, Jamshed and even the middle order ones like Faisal Iqbal, Fawad Alam etc. I think many of them will struggle to make it to the Bangladesh test side.
Great post.

I think with Younis Khan playing it might have been different.

Again good post.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
As I had feared yesterday after the excellent performance from Gul, Asif and Aamer, the only way Pakistan could lose this test match was if their pathetic batsmen showed their true pathetic colours which unfortunately they do more often than not. I know many people will talk about the dropped catches, fantastic batting of Vettori and McCullum in the first innings, but frankly, 250 is a total they should have made today especially after bowling them out for 150 odd with the momentum on their side. Many will also blame Farhat, Fawad and Manzoor but I think the captain and so called best batsman needs to take most of the blame. With an inexperienced batting line up against a decent bowling attack with one genuine match winning fast bowler, the captain should have raised his hand and said "hang on, I'll go get that 100 today". This is why Yousuf will never be among the top 5 batsmen in my books..despite breaking that record, he is no where near the likes of Ponting, Kallis and Dravid, forget about Lara and Tendulkar.

I know that when it comes to Pakistan cricket, a lot is said about internal problems, external factors such as the clash between Younis and senior players, player power etc etc.
I dont know whether all that is true or not, I do not have any inside sources. However, I think we need to forget about those for a while and focus on cricketing factors for a change.
Pakistan's performance especially in test cricket outside their country has been pathetic to say the least over the last 3-4 years.
They have lost series in Australia, India, England, drew against a shoddy West Indies side, lost to Sri Lanka, and now facing a potential series defeat in New Zealand.
We do not have to look too further into it as the answer is right there staring at us in the face.

1) The inability of even the senior Pakistani batsman, regarded as the best in the country, the likes of Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan etc to score centuries, big scores overseas consistently.

2) The sub standard quality of the younger batsmen, mainly the openers Farhat, Manzoor, Butt, Jamshed and even the middle order ones like Faisal Iqbal, Fawad Alam etc. I think many of them will struggle to make it to the Bangladesh test side.

Pakistan have not won a test match against Australia for 13 years. They have lost each series 0-3 and many of those defeats were innings defeats which involved Pakistan getting bowled out for under 200 or sometimes even under 100.

This says a lot about the quality of its batting.
I know the likes of Mohammad Yousuf, Younis, Inzamam all average over 50 in test cricket but that has more to do with the runs they score on flat placid wickets. The moment the ball seams around a little bit, or there is one bowler who generates decent pace, they fall like nine pins even if the team is Ireland.

I think cricket administrators and fans should stop worrying about the external factors for a while and focus on the basics, the cricketing factors and maybe, just maybe when they tour Australia again in 2013/2014, they'll lose 1-2 instead of 0-3.
I hear you but I still am a bit optimistic. I feel a big reason for losing was letting New Zealand get around 100 runs more than they should have which had a lot to do with the new attack adjusting to test cricket after so long. I dont think they will have it so easy next time now that the Pak bowlers have a bit of confidence.

Umar Akmal boosts the middle order tremendously but openers will continue to remain a worry. In a way we are becoming like the Pakistan side of the 90s which was prone to spectacular collapses to let down or be bailed about by brilliant Pakistan bowling.
 

Howsie

International Captain
New Zealand will most likely stick with the same side for the next match, but if McIntosh does nothing yet and again and Elliott looks all at sea I'd bring in Watling and Broom.
 

Polo23

International Debutant
I'd get rid of Fulton well before I got rid of Elliott.

Not only is Fulton's footwork worse than shocking, his lack of having a functioning brain really makes him a candidate for being cut.
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
New Zealand will most likely stick with the same side for the next match, but if McIntosh does nothing yet and again and Elliott looks all at sea I'd bring in Watling and Broom.
Right now I'd retain McIntosh ahead of a couple of the other batsmen who didn't impress. For starters, he can catch :). He needs to be told though that while a strike rate of around 35 is acceptable, 23 is not.

Even though Fulton was abysmal he needs to play the next match anyway. One match and then dropped again would be very harsh unless it's purely an injury replacement - Ryder won't be back yet. Plus if Fulton is dropped again I can see the selectors consigning him to the same pile as Sinclair, Papps and Bell.

Flynn is surely the most in danger of being replaced with someone else - really really needs some runs next match.

It would be a pretty massive risk to bring in Tuffey in place of Elliott for the next match, so I really hope Elliott is going to be fit enough to bowl some overs.
 

Howsie

International Captain
Well in my book they're as bad as each other, Elliott's game just isn't good enough for test cricket which is actually a shame as I really enjoy the way he goes about his one day batting.
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
I know it's been said a lot but seriously - Shane Bond, WAG.

So, so happy to see him back playing Test cricket.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Congrats to NZ for winning the test! I couldn't watch most of it, but from what I've read and seen, it must have been a great contest. Very pleased with Umar's debut. He, along with Aamer, gives Pakistani fans hope for the future. Can't wait for the 2nd Test to begin!
 

Meridio

International Regular
Awesome test. Really thought we were screwed when Akmal and Yousuf were going along comfortably, was having visions of Manchester all over again, but hopefully now that we've won a test like this we don't stuff things up so badly again.

Don't really expect any changes for the second test. IIRC our squad was selected for the first two tests, so unless there's an injury or two I'm expecting the same team. Batting is obviously still the problem, but as pointed out it's not like we've got stacks of batsmen in reserve. There's no point in throwing the latest in-form guy in there and just hoping he comes off (e.g. Merchant) or giving Wonderboy Williamson (who hasn't scored a run all year) a crack.

Also, Bond - WAG. Huge effort. Just hope he doesn't get injured again.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well done the Kiwis, must of been a great match to watch, Shane Bond is an obvious test great, but the way the rest of your team rallies round is a credit to your nation:)

Some great performances from youngsters and returning players which shows test cricket to be the supreme Test, well done for a top match:)
 

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