***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10

[Polo23]

CD have the best batting in the country and arguably the best top order (though a lot of regions have great opening combinations).


Would say Ingram, How and Patton are better than

Bell, Brodie, Parlane
Watling, Wislon, Parlane
Cumming, Morgan, Haig
Nicol, Papps, Astle

Only maybe Jones, Bopara and Kitchen are looking better.

I'd say the top order scoring the most runs is currently the best. That is not CD.

 

[Athlai]

I'd say the top order scoring the most runs is currently the best. That is not CD.

But thats ********, every match is different and every top order is facing different attacks. Last season CD's top order was right up at the top and as this season goes past the first match or two I'm sure CD will once again prove their worth with the bat and their direness with the ball.

 

[Howsie]

57-4, top batting that.

 

[Athlai]

Patton's yet to prove himself tbf, he had a good season last year but one season doesn't make him better then average (which a 30 year old with one season of FC must be). How and Ingram are average to poor and Worker has yet to do anything at this level

Oh yeah he definitely isn't the best but Pinga and How make a strong opening combo and Patton is about par to the Parlanes and co. of the other teams. The fact that the strongest number 3 is a Parlane, Kitchen or Patton is testament to the lack of good number 3s at domestic level.

 

[Howsie]

But thats ********, every match is different and every top order is facing different attacks. Last season CD's top order was right up at the top and as this season goes past the first match or two I'm sure CD will once again prove their worth with the bat and their direness with the ball.

I'm fairly certain he means now (like in this season). Not how many they scored last year.

 

[NZ Guy]

* Intentional

*My bad

 

[Athlai]

57-4, top batting that.

Even a good team chokes and Otago's top order stuttered against the new ball too. CD to get thrashed here.

Haha Phlegm.

 

[Athlai]

I'm fairly certain he means now (like in this season). Not how many they scored last year.

I know he does but just because they haven't scored in a very small amount of matches doesn't mean they aren't quality.

 

[Howsie]

Oh yeah he definitely isn't the best but Pinga and How make a strong opening combo and Patton is about par to the Parlanes and co. of the other teams. The fact that the strongest number 3 is a Parlane, Kitchen or Patton is testament to the lack of good number 3s at domestic level.

Until this innings though Worker had been batting at three for CD this season. How and Ingram make a decent opening combo, but there's better going around. Brodie and Bell are a better opening combo, as is the Jones/McIntosh/Guptill/Bopara combo for Auckland.

 

[Howsie]

I know he does but just because they haven't scored in a very small amount of matches doesn't mean they aren't quality.

The thing is though, neither Ingram nor How are quality. They're just average and above average domestic batsmen.

 

[Athlai]

Until this innings though Worker had been batting at three for CD this season. How and Ingram make a decent opening combo, but there's better going around. Brodie and Bell are a better opening combo, as is the Jones/McIntosh/Guptill/Bopara combo for Auckland.

Well Brodie does seem to be coming into his game but I wouldn't say just yet that he is better than How or Pinga. Auckland are an opening batsman factory though, that youngster who scored big may deserve a mention, Raval?

 

[Athlai]

The thing is though, neither Ingram nor How are quality. They're just average and above average domestic batsmen.

Of course I'm not talking about international standard otherwise every description would be of how dire the opening is, but to NZ's domestic standard Ingram and How are excellent.

 

[Howsie]

Well Brodie does seem to be coming into his game but I wouldn't say just yet that he is better than How or Pinga. Auckland are an opening batsman factory though, that youngster who scored big may deserve a mention, Raval?

I'm surprised Raval isn't playing today tbh, he did just make 70 odd in the last game batting at seven, I have no idea why he didn't open with Jones in this game.

 

[Athlai]

I'm surprised Raval isn't playing today tbh, he did just make 70 odd in the last game batting at seven, I have no idea why he didn't open with Jones in this game.

Auckland have too many batsman and not enough bowlers, should trade with ND.

 

[Howsie]

Of course I'm not talking about international standard otherwise every description would be of how dire the opening is, but to NZ's domestic standard Ingram and How are excellent.

Are they? They're no better then the likes of Papps, Bell, Jones, Cumming, Parlane, McIntosh.

 

[Howsie]

Auckland have too many batsman and not enough bowlers, should trade with ND.

Scott for Raval.

 

[Howsie]

Sam Wells 5/8 at the moment, he's ripped right through CD.

 

[Flem274*]

Patton's yet to prove himself tbf, he had a good season last year but one season doesn't make him better then average (which a 30 year old with one season of FC must be). How and Ingram are average to poor and Worker has yet to do anything at this level

just because someone makes their debut late it does not mean they are crap. Have you seen his record? ND would kill for a number three with that. Age means jack, look at Chris Harris at 40 still scoring runs. Whether Patton is better than a domestic journeyman remains to be seen, but to argue with his current record seems illogical to me.

I'd say the top order scoring the most runs is currently the best. That is not CD.

For a whole 2-3 games. By that logic, the best batting side changes every five minutes. Williamson got out cheap today and last game, he's obviously crap.

57-4, top batting that.

51/5 much? Including wonderboy and our next in line test match opener out cheaply.

Until this innings though Worker had been batting at three for CD this season. How and Ingram make a decent opening combo, but there's better going around. Brodie and Bell are a better opening combo, as is the Jones/McIntosh/Guptill/Bopara combo for Auckland.

IIRC Brodie has played a season and a bit too, just like Patton. Of course he's in his early 20s so that makes him good. Silly me.

Bell is in the same category as you lump CDs openers into.

That Auckland line up you just listed is no better than How, Ingram, Patton/Worker, Sinclair, Patton/Worker. Guptill has only one FC century, Jones is a decent batsman, McIntosh pre-last season was a one score a season merchant, and Bopara will be here for one year.

The thing is though, neither Ingram nor How are quality. They're just average and above average domestic batsmen.

Just like every opener in the country

Are they? They're no better then the likes of Papps, Bell, Jones, Cumming, Parlane, McIntosh.

McIntosh only started scoring consistently last year and with a bit of Martin Crowe bandwagon hype got in the test side. Papps, Cumming and co. are no better than Ingram and How either I'll add

 

[Athlai]

Papps, Bell, Jones, Cumming, Parlane, McIntosh besides Parlane and Jones they all had massive seasons opening last year, all 50+ with the bat.

 

[Flem274*]

Papps, Bell, Jones, Cumming, Parlane, McIntosh besides Parlane and Jones they all had massive seasons opening last year, all 50+ with the bat.

And they're all not the greatest. Pinga avergaed pretty high last season too, can't recall How's though time away failing at tests would drag down his average I imagine.