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Ikki

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I know, but you mentioned that he was a great goal scorer but questioned his all-round game. Not sure how you could do that if you watched him, especially at his peak. IMO you made him sound like Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
 
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Ikki said:
I know, but you mentioned that he was a great goal scorer but questioned his all-round game. Not sure how you could do that if you watched him, especially at his peak. IMO you made him sound like Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
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Fair. Not my intention, like you say, obviously had a far greater dimension to his game than Nistelrooy. However, if you wanted to choose a top striker from the 10 years spanning 97-07 I would say that Van Nistelrooy would have to be up there, imo anyway.
 
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As magnificent a player as Bergkamp was, I think the Arsenal-tinted glasses are giving you away there.
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Sorry sledger, but there's absolutely no way Bergkamp was even in the same league as Ronaldo. Or Henry, Romario, Torres, Shearer or Batistuta. Players with such excellent technique and hold-up play are useful, but with Henry you're looking at 20 goals and 20 assists a season.

Bergkamp vs. Cantona was a pretty good comparison, always one that had the United and Arsenal fans at each others throats.
 
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Yea the lack of natural instinctive finishing is what makes Chief Cheateur one of the most overrated players of all time.
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He scored 174 goals in 254 games for Arsenal, mate. If you can do that without "natural instinctive finishing", why would you want it?

The only player I can think of with a better club record than that is Alan Shearer at Blackburn. But it's almost inconceivable how good Shearer was in that period. The Premiership hasn't seen a better striker before or since.

I remember the Van Nistelrooy vs. Henry comparisons would always finish with a compromise stating that Van Nistelrooy was the better "goalscorer" while Henry was the better "all-round player". Conveniently ignoring the fact that Henry scored considerably more goals too. The guy was absolutely incredible at Arsenal.
 
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Sorry sledger, but there's absolutely no way Bergkamp was even in the same league as Ronaldo. Or Henry, Romario, Torres, Shearer or Batistuta. Players with such excellent technique and hold-up play are useful, but with Henry you're looking at 20 goals and 20 assists a season.

Bergkamp vs. Cantona was a pretty good comparison, always one that had the United and Arsenal fans at each others throats.
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Bergkamp > Cantona.
 
Ikki

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Was robbed the Fifa player of the year. Henry is the epitome of what strikers should wish to be IMO. He could run at defenders or hold the ball up. He could just as easily score a goal as create one. I can't think of a forward who scored so many goals yet had so many assists too. A freak of nature.
 
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He's better than Zola- they're quite similar, a lot more likable, skilful and awe-inducing than they are useful as footballers.
 
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Bergkamp is level pegging with Zola as best player to have graced the Premiership.
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Both great footballers, but not the best IMO. There's a bit of romanticism with those two because they were a part of the start of the premier league era and also it's modernisation. But there have been better players.
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Who care if Rooney is injured? Is obvious that it should be Crouch and Defoe up front.
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Or Gerrard behind the CF and someone like Ashley Young on the left.
 
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He scored 174 goals in 254 games for Arsenal, mate. If you can do that without "natural instinctive finishing", why would you want it?

The only player I can think of with a better club record than that is Alan Shearer at Blackburn. But it's almost inconceivable how good Shearer was in that period. The Premiership hasn't seen a better striker before or since.

I remember the Van Nistelrooy vs. Henry comparisons would always finish with a compromise stating that Van Nistelrooy was the better "goalscorer" while Henry was the better "all-round player". Conveniently ignoring the fact that Henry scored considerably more goals too. The guy was absolutely incredible at Arsenal.
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Oh certainly but he has never been as a good a natural goalscorer as Ronaldo has, just look at his record everywhere he has been, even when common wisdom that he was no longr any good. Would rate Henry very highly but he is a step below Ronaldo at his best. Out of interest who do you think is better between Christiano Ronaldo and Henry? probably the two best players in Premiership history.
 
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