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[Flem274*]

Poor manipulation of stats there. 189 is less than double 105, and Prior's scored double the amount of hundreds. So that proves he is comfortably better than Elliott.



We didn't want this Myburgh fella anyway. No need for mediocre South African's in our side, when we run out of South African's we steal from the Irish instead. You Kiwi's really haven't got the hang of this stealing players lark have you? Just because they're South African doesn't mean they're going to automatically be good. Check Grant Elliott for details. He's not fit to lace Luke Wright's boots.

Prior's out. Effectively won us the game, good effort Matty! Just make sure you do that in the actual ODi series. Show us how good a player with a List A average of 26 can be.

Okie dokie, we'll keep Elliott, you have Wright and Prior, and we'll wipe the floor with you (again) when we play you in an ODI series next.

 

[Howsie]

We didn't want this Myburgh fella anyway. No need for mediocre South African's in our side, when we run out of South African's we steal from the Irish instead. You Kiwi's really haven't got the hang of this stealing players lark have you? Just because they're South African doesn't mean they're going to automatically be good. Check Grant Elliott for details. He's not fit to lace Luke Wright's boots.

Agreed. Scrub work like that should be left for the likes of Prior and Trott

 

[King Pietersen]

Okie dokie, we'll keep Elliott, you have Wright and Prior, and we'll wipe the floor with you (again) when we play you in an ODI series next.

Oh give us a chance to pick the right team. Winning those last 2 series means very little. In one we had Phil Mustard opening the batting with Alastair Cook ffs. Then in the other we had Tim Ambrose keeping wicket, had Ravi Bopara in the middle order, and opened with Bell and Wright. Barely a South African or Irishman in sight, we were never going to win. You won't stand a chance next time you play us

 

[BoyBrumby]

Seems like we timed the chase pretty well. If 20/20 has shown us one thing it's that needing to get 9-10 RPO for the last 10 over is far from impossible if a team has wickets in hand.

 

[Howsie]

Oh give us a chance to pick the right team. Winning those last 2 series means very little. In one we had Phil Mustard opening the batting with Alastair Cook ffs. Then in the other we had Tim Ambrose keeping wicket had Ravi Bopara in the middle order, and opened with Bell and Wright. Barely a South African or Irishman in sight, we were never going to win. You won't stand a chance next time you play us

Yeah but the next time we play you guy's we'll have Williamson anyway so......

 

[GIMH]

With Trott and Prior at the crease this looks like a South African domestic one day game

That's brilliant! Why did nobody else think of that. ****ing magic.

 

[BoyBrumby]

That's brilliant! Why did nobody else think of that. ****ing magic.

Ooo, you sarky ****er, you.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Oh joy England have called up the least suitable limited overs bowler as cover for the ODIs...

http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/current/story/434969.html

 

[GIMH]

Gunned it in the CB series finals though, WAG

 

[aussie]

Oh joy England have called up the least suitable limited overs bowler as cover for the ODIs...

Liam Plunkett called up as cover | Cricket News | South Africa v England 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

Well unfortunately there isn't anything better from county cricket, although he is trash too. It is really is shocking the lack of proper bowling talent available ATM.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Seriously wouldn't make Durham's best limited overs side.

 

[marc71178]

I'm not exactly Shah's biggest fan, but I would forget about using regular openers in T20. Unless you have a particularly well-suited one like Hayden, Sehwag or Gambhir, just pick your best batsmen.

Yes, but Shah doesn't get into that category either!

 

[marc71178]

But right now without Flintoff in the ODI set-up, Shah should be in the best XI:

Strauss, Trott, KP, Shah, Colly, Morgan, Prior, Broad, Swann, Bresnan/Sidebottom, Anerson - STRONG top 7.

Obvious lack depth in bowling without Freddie. But no need to replace him as we are doing now with a useless player like Wright. Just have to accept we have to depend on the Trott/KP/Shah filling in some overs to back-up Anderson/Broad/Swann/Sides/Colly.

Erm no, without Flintoff we need another bowler in the team.

Also, Prior is not by any stretch of the imagination the best option as wicket keeper.

 

[Uppercut]

Yes, but Shah doesn't get into that category either!

*shrug*

Don't think there's anyone significantly enough better than him to make it worthwhile complaining about his presence. The fielding and running thing is a melt though.

 

[aussie]

Erm no, without Flintoff we need another bowler in the team.

Technically yes. But whats the sense picking a bits a pieces player like Wright who neither gives quality batting or bowling?. He aint no Bravo/Watson/Oram/Morkel.


Fact is a top 6 of Strauss, Trott, KP, Shah, Collingwood, Morgan is STRONG. Thats the ODI team's strenght, we just have to accept the bowling attack without Flintoff lacks quality. You cant patch up a burst pipe with scotch tape - thats what picking Wright to replace Flintoff is.

Sourav Ganguly's IND team that reach the WC 03 Final & won that famous game @ Lord's 02 realized this quite well by packing the team with 7 batsman, basically accepting his bowling attack was not top quality.

Also, Prior is not by any stretch of the imagination the best option as wicket keeper.

If the top 6 (without Freddie) is Strauss, Trott, KP, Shah, Colly, Morgan. Prior is the best man to bat @ 7 in ODI cricket.

 

[Furball]

If the top 6 (without Freddie) is Strauss, Trott, KP, Shah, Colly, Morgan. Prior is the best man to bat @ 7 in ODI cricket.

But it won't be. They'll shoe horn Cook or Denly or some other god awful opener in instead.

 

[marc71178]

Technically yes. But whats the sense picking a bits a pieces player like Wright who neither gives quality batting or bowling?

No instead pick Shah who doesn't offer quality batting, bowling, fielding or running.

In the lower order role, Wright is a much better option.

If the top 6 (without Freddie) is Strauss, Trott, KP, Shah, Colly, Morgan. Prior is the best man to bat @ 7 in ODI cricket.

Which is irrelevant when you could pick Davies over Shah, and not then have to pick Prior, allowing you an extra person who can bowl.

 

[aussie]

But it won't be. They'll shoe horn Cook or Denly or some other god awful opener in instead.

Hopefully after this SA tour Shah will be back in the ODI set-up, so if Flintoff aint back - Shah could play in that suggested top 7.

 

[Uppercut]

Personally I think Wright's fine. The lower-order slogger/fifth bowler role is extremely difficult to fill. They frequently end up with horrendous stats and are invariably the first players to have their place questioned after a defeat. England have Luke Wright, South Africa Albie Morkel, Australia James Hopes, India Ravi Jadeja and New Zealand James Franklin. They're all subjected to all kinds of abuse at times and there's so many more talented players that could be picked instead, but it's a role that needs to be filled. I have the utmost respect for Lance Klusener because of how well he filled the most awkward little ODI position for so long.

 

[aussie]

No instead pick Shah who doesn't offer quality batting, bowling, fielding or running.

We dont have AUS like batting depth to be keeping Shah out of ODI squad totally, regardless of his fielding & running issues.

Plus he was averaging 35 over the last 2 years before being stupidly dropped, which is solid enough.

In the lower order role, Wright is a much better option.

He is not a international quality ODI all-rounder. It is useless picking him as Flintoff's replacement on a long term basis. Since he does not give consistent quality with either bat or ball. Thats is clear as day, how can you defend picking him with a straight face, MY GOD...

Which is irrelevant when you could pick Davies over Shah, and not then have to pick Prior.

Davies or Kieswetter if they play have to open the batting cause thats where they bat in domesitc List A cricket. No need to bat them out of position like we did with Prior & Jones.

Prior is now being given the chance to bat in his preferred position @ 7 & he has the ability to be a decent finished as he showed a bit this year in ODIs & the warm-up game today.

allowing you an extra person who can bowl.

There is no international quality extra bowler available to replace Flintoff. You need to clear the cobwebs in your ahead & face reality.