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[bagapath]

Add my name to the list that thinks you are wrong on this issue.

i hope richard starts a poll and proves his point

 

[honestbharani]

yeah.. gotta agree with the popular opinion here. I watched the match myself fully (never missed when Lara was around ) and gotta say Bond was sensational.. Sorry Rich, but I think u r wrong in this instance.

 

[Flem274*]

Bond and Astle were fantastic in that period of play. Astle made a hole and Bond shoved a sword in it.

 

[zaremba]

it was Nathan Astle of all people who knocked-over the openers then Bond dismissed Lara and the already-injured Sarwan

You incorrectly suggest that Astle had dismissed both openers before Bond took over. In fact Astle took the first wicket (Gayle) but Ganga was fourth out.

As for "the already injured Sarwan", this is how he was injured:

52.5
Mystery Fast Bowler X to Sarwan, no run, nasty blow! short and rising delivery, Sarwan tries to leave the ball, ball hits the back of the helmet, Sarwan is down and physio comes in for some medical assitance.
Sarwan walks off the field and here comes Braian Lara

Guess the identity of Mystery Fast Bowler X and win a special prize

 

[Flem274*]

Brendon Diamanti!!

 

[zaremba]

Not if only Test-standard sides are considered it isn't. Bond has basically made a big difference to NZ in a Test series on a whole one occasion - his was a massive contribution to the win in West Indies in 2002. They'd have won against India in 2002/03 without him, and in 2006/07 and 2007/08 he hardly tore things up and NZ failed to win anything.

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this is.

Injury restricted Bond to 9 Test "series", most of which comprised just 2 matches.

Of those, Bond "made a big difference" to NZ in 7:

- He made a big difference in the WI in 2002, as you admit.

- He made a big difference v WI in 2006, as everyone but you seems to agree.

- He was instrumental in beating the hapless Bangladesh in 2001.

- Against India in 2002 he took 12 wickets in the 2 matches, both of which NZ won. He was the outstanding bowler in NZ's victory at Wellington and also took 4 first innings wickets as NZ won at Hamilton.

- He outclassed the hapless Zimbabwe in 2005

- He was man-of-the-match in the opening match v Sri Lanka in 2006 at Christchurch

- He only played one game v South Africa in 2007, in which he took 4 first-innings wickets.

The only series where he didn't make a big difference were his debut series v Australia in 2001 and the 2 matches v Sri Lanka in 2003 (a total of 2-and-a-bit Sri Lankan innings, in which Bond seems to have acquitted himself pretty well).

 

[Flem274*]

Richard has improved on Bondy though. I remember reading threads from 04 where he claimed Bond didn't swing the ball and wouldn't be much of a force.

There's one that we can actually be fair to him and say he changed his mind.

 

[Zinzan]

yeah.. gotta agree with the popular opinion here. I watched the match myself fully (never missed when Lara was around ) and gotta say Bond was sensational.. Sorry Rich, but I think u r wrong in this instance.

Yup, I remember this game well too & NZ were going to lose for all money at one point & need a super special spell from someone & Bond delivered

 

[Bahnz]

Yup, I remember this game well too & NZ were going to lose for all money at one point & need a super special spell from someone & Bond delivered

With a little bit of help from the umpires smashing the ball into the Eden Park concrete.

 

[Zinzan]

With a little bit of help from the umpires smashing the ball into the Eden Park concrete.

Huh? remind me.....were they replacing the previous ball & felt the need to deteriorate it artificially so it was more like the original ?

 

[Bahnz]

Huh? remind me.....were they replacing the previous ball & felt the need to deteriorate it artificially so it was more like the original ?

Yep, Chris Gayle smashed a six out of the park around the 40th over, and the closest they could get to a replacement ball was 20 overs old. Harper then proceeded it smack it into concrete to artificially age it. There hadn't been even the slightest hint of movement with the lost ball, but the new one suddenly started hooping all over the place. Not to take anything away from Bond mind. It was still probably the best display of fast reverse swing bowling I had seen in New Zealand since the days of W&W.

 

[honestbharani]

Yep, Chris Gayle smashed a six out of the park around the 40th over, and the closest they could get to a replacement ball was 20 overs old. Harper then proceeded it smack it into concrete to artificially age it. There hadn't been even the slightest hint of movement with the lost ball, but the new one suddenly started hooping all over the place. Not to take anything away from Bond mind. It was still probably the best display of fast reverse swing bowling I had seen in New Zealand since the days of W&W.

Interesting that Lara or Chanderpaul (forgot who was captain then) didnt mention it in the post match... Good form from whoever it was, I guess.

 

[Bahnz]

Interesting that Lara or Chanderpaul (forgot who was captain then) didnt mention it in the post match... Good form from whoever it was, I guess.

Chanderpaul was cagey about it, but he certainly didn't sound too impressed:

''I don't want to say much about that but the new ball did swing around. The lost ball was 35 overs old and this ball was 12 or so but there's not much I could say about it.''

 

[aussie]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You are absolutely insane.

my chest

 

[honestbharani]

Chanderpaul was cagey about it, but he certainly didn't sound too impressed:

''I don't want to say much about that but the new ball did swing around. The lost ball was 35 overs old and this ball was 12 or so but there's not much I could say about it.''

lol... should have told Chris Gayle that he is not supposed to hit the ball that hard..

 

[honestbharani]

Chanderpaul was cagey about it, but he certainly didn't sound too impressed:

''I don't want to say much about that but the new ball did swing around. The lost ball was 35 overs old and this ball was 12 or so but there's not much I could say about it.''

oh.. must have missed that. perhaps it was during the press conference, as I saw the post match awards and don't remember him saying that there.. Or maybe I simply missed that.

 

[Zinzan]

Interesting that Lara or Chanderpaul (forgot who was captain then) didnt mention it in the post match... Good form from whoever it was, I guess.

It's not the first time umpires have intentionally roughed up a ball to achieve this result to be fair & probably won't be the last

 

[honestbharani]

It's not the first time umpires have intentionally roughed up a ball to achieve this result to be fair & probably won't be the last

nah.. not about that.. The fact that for an international match they didn't have balls which are similar in terms of wear and tear. I can understand them having balls used up for 30 overs or 50 overs but replacing a 40 over ball with a 20 over one in those conditions does give an undue advantage to the bowling side, right? Hopefully the ICC can be more professional abt this and ensure similar type balls are available for all international matches, wherever they may be played.

 

[Langeveldt]

Paul Harris
Ian Blackwell
Jacques Kallis


I find it strange how arguably the best all-round cricketer in the world is talked about almost exclusively in negative terms on here.. Not talking about Blackwell by the way..

 

[zaremba]

Hashim Amla

Luke Wright, Matt Prior and (ahem) possibly Monty Panesar