Streetwise
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Is there a point to this or did you just find this out and wanted to share it.
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Ponting better than Sachin : Ian Chappell
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Streetwise
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But like umpiring it all averages out in the end, In the next phase of his career Ponting did the same as Tendulkar and Lara and improved his game against inferior bowling completely overshadowing them in the 00's. The only player to dominate from start of career to end is Bradman.
The only thing I cant find is Tendulkars period of good batting against quality bowling, Even against Australia in matchs with McGrath his average drops down to 36. Perhaps you can point to the time for me.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
I just found that out and wanted to share with you and it has as much point as your wise ramblings in this thread and elsewhere on this forum.
Streetwise
Banned
Good for you Sanz. You must be so proud of yourself.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Ponting Overshadowing Tendulkar in 2000s ? That's why Tendulkar has outperformed Ponting in 2000s in every series but one that they have played in similar conditions exce.
2000-01 :- 50.66, 3.40
2003-04 :- 76.60, 100.85 (Away)
2004-05:- 17.50, 11.50
2007-08:- 70.42, 38.28 (Away)
2008-09:- 56.57, 38.00
It may not fit your criteria, but many people look at the series these two have played together and I must say in 2003-04 when Ponting was is Supreme form and Tendulkar was his lowest, The little fella still showed his 'A' game.
I will explain that but only after you explain why Ponting averages 25 against SA in 2000s in the matches Donald played.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Well I don't like to brag about myself but I am kinda proud of my achievements on this forum.
Streetwise
Banned
Because after 2000 Donald was past his peak and inferior to the pre 2000 Donald in his peak where Ponting averaged 66.3 in matches with Donald.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
First of all not only the above statement doesn't make sense but also contradicts the following statement, especially the part in Bold :-
So If Ponting improved his game against inferior bowling, his performance against the inferior Donald should have improved.
Streetwise
Banned
I dont know if you were old enough to watch the 00-01 series but Ponting was lucky even to play after food posioning and in 04-05 he had a broken thumb which prevented him playing any matches except one. Is that the best you can do.
Streetwise
Banned
Sanz you are going around in circles, have you anything to say or are you just trying to attack me because I provided statistics you dont like. If you have something to contribute then do it. If all you want to do is attack me because I have posted things you cant come to grips with then have a break breathe slowly and look for a thread that you like.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Go ahead make excuses, like it has worked as an argument
No, I can do better but don't think it is required here and not something I like to do so I will stop here.
PS :- I do think Ponting is a great batsman and an argument can be made about him being better than Tendulkar and infact at the end of the day it comes out to personal preference. I will take Lara and Tendulkar ahead of him but in no way should it mean that Ponting is inferior batsman to the two.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
First of all it is not your thread, secondly it is internet, 3rdly you dont own the internet and lastly go ahead and post your nonsense I dont have time to waste.
Streetwise
Banned
What kind of wacko are you, thats exactaly what I have been saying all along and you keep trying to prove me wrong and now you say what I have been saying is correct.
bagapath
International Captain
ponting being australia's no.1 batsman for the past decade or so, his failure to perform in india has been the main reason for australia's inability to win a series in india. they won the 04-05 series without him and lost the only test he played in. (though he alone is not responsible for the loss)
in the other two series (and the 97-98 series) ricky failed with the bat again and again resulting in his team losing vital sessions and tests despite worthy performances from several other players.
his legacy will always be tainted by this glitch.
india's inability to win anywhere is due to the weak bolwing resources, sachin has always done well abroad against aussies - with or without warne/mcgrath,.
in the other two series (and the 97-98 series) ricky failed with the bat again and again resulting in his team losing vital sessions and tests despite worthy performances from several other players.
his legacy will always be tainted by this glitch.
india's inability to win anywhere is due to the weak bolwing resources, sachin has always done well abroad against aussies - with or without warne/mcgrath,.
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Streetwise
Banned
Wow 13000 posts, you must be a legend. Does that mean you know everything like Richard.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Although i'm not of the view than Ponting is better than Tendy or ever will be regarded as better than the little master, when they both retire. The points here on Punter are very flawed.
No it was AUS decades old achillies heel of not being able to play spin well on turners from Lance Gibbs to Harbhajan. Ponting's batting woes in IND had nothing to do with it.
Plus you cant compare Ponting the batsman from the SRI 95/96 to IND 01 to the Ponting of 2001 (the trent bridge Ashes test) to 2009 - its two different players.
Ponting will indeed have the statistical glitch with his away record in IND. But its just as stat. Ponting before he made that hundred in IND last year to put rest the "myth" that he couldn't play spin, had long since gone past the demons of IND 2001. He aint no Lara againts playing spin on a turner, but he is solid enough.
No it was AUS decades old achillies heel of not being able to play spin well on turners from Lance Gibbs to Harbhajan. Ponting's batting woes in IND had nothing to do with it.
If Ponting was not injured in 04/05 based the form he has been in since 2001 (although in 2004 he was in a bit of iffy form given it was the first year of his test captaincy). He would have made runs & put away his IND demons since then & not 2008.
As i said before Ponting failures had nothing to do with AUS losing in IND 98 & 01. It was AUS historical achillies heel of playing spin.
Plus you cant compare Ponting the batsman from the SRI 95/96 to IND 01 to the Ponting of 2001 (the trent bridge Ashes test) to 2009 - its two different players.
Ponting will indeed have the statistical glitch with his away record in IND. But its just as stat. Ponting before he made that hundred in IND last year to put rest the "myth" that he couldn't play spin, had long since gone past the demons of IND 2001. He aint no Lara againts playing spin on a turner, but he is solid enough.
bagapath
International Captain
the australia that had to face lance gibbs was not the one that faced harbhajan singh. this is a much more successful team; the best in the world that beat everyone everywhere except on the said occasions in discussion. also this team went on to win in sri lanka against murali 3-0. so the "traditional weakness against spin" argument doesnt hold good for me.
i do beleive australia could have won the 2001 series if ponting had earned his match fees by scoring decent runs. the thrid test was so close that all aus needed was probably 20 odd runs. similarly he should have contibuted in the 2004 mumbai test to avoid defeat; he couldn't.
ricky's repeated letdowns with the bat and australia's failed indian campaigns are very much connected. you will see that his record in england is also not as solid as his record elsewhere. that explains two back to back ashes losses as well. any batsman who averages 5+ points more at home than away, whether it is ricky or javed, despite being the mainstay of the team, should be held responsible for letting the team down in overseas defeats.
i do beleive australia could have won the 2001 series if ponting had earned his match fees by scoring decent runs. the thrid test was so close that all aus needed was probably 20 odd runs. similarly he should have contibuted in the 2004 mumbai test to avoid defeat; he couldn't.
ricky's repeated letdowns with the bat and australia's failed indian campaigns are very much connected. you will see that his record in england is also not as solid as his record elsewhere. that explains two back to back ashes losses as well. any batsman who averages 5+ points more at home than away, whether it is ricky or javed, despite being the mainstay of the team, should be held responsible for letting the team down in overseas defeats.